Originally Posted by Kevsh

I'm not disputing that - my original post I stated that muay thai and kickboxing are effective on the street in part because you are trained to knock people out, for real. I added a bit about wing chun because a friend of mine is a master.

In terms of self-defence, which this thread was originally about, there are absolutely better techniques than muay thai, kickboxing and wing chun. But I also believe that in a street fight a good offence is often the best defence and any of these 3 styles are effective in making sure it's over *before* it gets to the ground.

Realistically, most of us will go through our lives hitting hundreds of night clubs, parties and a few bad neighborhoods and dark alleys along the way. Unless you go looking for trouble constantly, the odds are in your favour that even a moderate mastery of any serious technique in this thread will save your ass every time. Again, you are realistically not likely to bump into many MMA masters on the street, nor any other specialized art.

... but, unlike some other people in this thread, I'm not bashing any form which is silly. Wing chun does not "suck" - in an MMA tournment, yes, he will likely be owned - but the key part of MMA is "mixed": A combination of masteries vs. one discipline, in most cases, will be a rout. So, as Anthony pointed out in those videos, a MMA master will obviously have a big advantage over a straight Wing Chun fighter, or muay thai, etc. In all the early UFC fights the "wrestlers" always owned the brawlers. Now all the competitors have to be multi-disciplined to survive ...