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Originally Posted by Anthony
Nikkyo Nage was the second throw taught at my first Aikido school. It's a term used in every Aikido school I've ever trained at.
Ikkyo
Nikkyo
Sankyo
Kote Gaeshi
Irimi Nage
Were the first 5 throws I learned. Nikkyo was a wrist lock that brought the uke to his kness then the movement was finished with Ikkyo. The pin was a sholder lock with both knees holding the shoulder in place while arms were used to torque the arm and dislocate the shoulder.
My Aikikai was affiliated with Berkley Aikikai, which as you know, is in the heartland of the hippy generation.
As for Aikido not being as good in NHB, what better enviroment than NHB/MMA to test out the effectiveness of a fighting system? That more than enough answers everything.
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You described something called a "Nikkyo Nage Pin" which is a shoulder lock. There is no such thing as a Nikkyo Nage Pin. There is a Nikyo lock/pin, yes. There is a Nikyo that is used as a throw, so technically it could feasibly called a Nikyo Nage, I suppose. But there is no nage which is a pin, and there is no nikyo which is a shoulder lock. Your instructor must have misnamed an ude osae or rationalized that since you have a nikyo lock, it should be called such...
As for NHB, I was trying to illustrate, maybe very unclearly, that there is differences between the street and competition. Aikido, it seems, is easier to pull off on the street than even the dojo. In competition, the attacker is aware of your training and isn't fully committing. Forget doing a kote gaeshi on a boxer's jab; go for the body or head. The fight would appear more strike oriented until you got close enough to do a technique, in that regard, it's not pure, 1-atemi-1-throw aikido. That's what I meant by "without serious atemi".
Was the Berkley dojo ever affiliated with Riverside? Just curious; don't know my geography over there...