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Originally Posted by RawAlex
V_rocks: the problem is that for every $100 they make this way, they end up losing affiliates and removing sales from their system. The surfers have more than enough content here to whack to their heart's content. They are not going to pay. Fusker wastes bandwidth, and making it very hard for the affiliates to compete.
Programs that choose to allow this sort of stuff, well, affiliates might want to think about what they are competiting against.
V_rocks: strongbox or similar type programs all but eliminate password trading as an issue. You can only count lost dollars if the users at the end would otherwise have bought memberships.
With Fusker, you can count the bandwidth bills... you know you are losing.
Alex
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What I didn't (possibly didn't) say about fusker is that while the sponsor makes money, the affiliates lose it and in the long run, the sponsor will begin to lose money as more affiliates drop off or give away to much content and don't entice the surfer. Or to many sources are available to get free porn. Shit, I used to think there were to many sources back in 1998... hehe... fucking insane now.
As for strongbox and other password scripts I have this to say,
HAhahahhahaha hahhahahahah hahahhahahahahhahahahhahahaha
Why? Because on the IRC passwords are not given out in lists for everyone to kill (cause to go over the accepted limit of IP's per time limit). On the IRC passwords are cracked in real time for you and you only. I don't talk about it because I like the sound of my own voice and have no experience. I used to crack them. I know how insanely easy it is and how many I can do in an hour. I know how many my channels did and I know how many channels are in a network. I know how many networks there are and I also know quite a bit about how much sponsors lose to it.
If I crack YOU a password, YOU and the true owner to the account are the only ones using it. The likelyhood that you and the true owner will use it at the same time is minimal. The likelyhood that even if you did, the software is configured to allow this to happen is pretty large (AOL fucked this up for you all). So even if I give it out 2 or 3 more times in the month, AOL probably caused you to allow up to 2, 3 4 or 5 IP's to use it within a 10 minute time span. So this password will not die. And if someone else asked for it because they saw you had gotten it, I wouldn't give them your same account, I'd just crack them another one in about 30 seconds to 10 minutes depending on the level of protection you are using (form login vs. basic authentication for example).
My numbers are true. They are a reflection of what is going on. You can choose to deny it. Many have and do. You all built a business model based on them doing it (they have been doing it before there was an internet (IRC came first, cracked passwords to paid adult BBS's)).
But as Brad Shaw would say, "I don't like leaving money on the table."
1/3 of a billion dollars a year is a fucking lot of money to leave on the table.