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Brad Mitchell · 05-09-2002, 01:58 PM

With regards to them having downtime, give em a break! Shit happens. Perhaps the problem he had earlier today was with his switch or something, obviously if that has problems nothing is on the net. No host is perfect and no host can control all of the environmental variables.Being one myself.. that's my opinion.

I hate to say it but I think I'm with Nysus on the issue of Cologroup not being redundant... This is all hypothetical and I'm not making accusations, Jason seems to be a really nice guy. However, if he's not redundant for ALL of the bandwidth he's regularly selling then his site is misleading and that should be corrected.

I own my own hosting company and knowing the economics of being redundant there's no way he's redundant for the amount of Cogent bandwidth he sells. So, for example, let's say ColoGroup averages 100 mbit of average sustained bandwidth that costs them $3000/month (that is, for the most part, the price to plug in). Level 3 sells 10mbit for $2500 so you do the math. I believe he's in a carrier neutral facility with multiple providers but that does NOT mean he's plugged into anyone but Cogent.

So, yes it is an issue of truth in advertising. Either it's redundant or it isn't. It sounds to me like Cologroup is buying from someone else that is buying from Cogent inside the facility. That doesn't sound ideal. And, if his 'upstream' isn't Cogent, but a reseller of cogent, is it even fair to advertise that you are redundant with Level 3 if you're still getting that bandwidth from the same upstream on the same mbit or gbit upstream connection? Lots to think about!

I'm just curious how you're able to provide everything advertised (hardware, redundancy) for the rates you're charging. Good hardware, network equipment, and redundancy is expensive. Also, so is using UPS's for all of the servers you have. It's not enough to be in a facility that's on a UPS.

Curious to learn more from Jason!

Brad

05-09-2002, 01:58 PM
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	With regards to them having downtime, give em a break! Shit happens. Perhaps the problem he had earlier today was with his switch or something, obviously if that has problems nothing is on the net. No host is perfect and no host can control all of the environmental variables.Being one myself.. that's my opinion. I hate to say it but I think I'm with Nysus on the issue of Cologroup not being redundant... This is all hypothetical and I'm not making accusations, Jason seems to be a really nice guy. However, if he's not redundant for ALL of the bandwidth he's regularly selling then his site is misleading and that should be corrected. I own my own hosting company and knowing the economics of being redundant there's no way he's redundant for the amount of Cogent bandwidth he sells. So, for example, let's say ColoGroup averages 100 mbit of average sustained bandwidth that costs them $3000/month (that is, for the most part, the price to plug in). Level 3 sells 10mbit for $2500 so you do the math. I believe he's in a carrier neutral facility with multiple providers but that does NOT mean he's plugged into anyone but Cogent. So, yes it is an issue of truth in advertising. Either it's redundant or it isn't. It sounds to me like Cologroup is buying from someone else that is buying from Cogent inside the facility. That doesn't sound ideal. And, if his 'upstream' isn't Cogent, but a reseller of cogent, is it even fair to advertise that you are redundant with Level 3 if you're still getting that bandwidth from the same upstream on the same mbit or gbit upstream connection? Lots to think about! I'm just curious how you're able to provide everything advertised (hardware, redundancy) for the rates you're charging. Good hardware, network equipment, and redundancy is expensive. Also, so is using UPS's for all of the servers you have. It's not enough to be in a facility that's on a UPS. Curious to learn more from Jason! Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999