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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 03-03-2005, 08:55 AM

I feel many self-proclaimed First Amendment freedom fighters in the adult industry are totally misguided and hide behind the guise of freedom, when in fact, some of what they are presenting is totally reprehensible, and represents indefensible forms of human behavior.

As far as I am concerned, there is nothing artistic, and there are few (if any) freedom of speech issues involved in such things as conning "bums" into maiming or possibly even beating other poor people to death, simply because they signed a consent form and they are paid to do it.

Yet BumFights and other such web sites still exist. I have not seen the EA content, so I am not specifically commenting upon it, however if it is as it has been described on Nightline recently, I might possibly find some of their content objectionable on similar grounds.

There is a difference between simulated and actual behavior. Hollywood, the gaming industry, and others seem to understand this and self-regulate themselves accordingly in most instances, even with regards to simulated behavior.

Fortunately, so do most of the people I have encountered in the adult industry. Even the savage sport of boxing abides by certain rules.

The same cannot be said for some of the most extreme content packaged and sold to miscreants these days by a fringe element within the adult industry (who profess to speak for us all).

At times it seems that the loudest most ardent voices often come from these same people. Of course they, and certainly not most of us, have the most to lose.

I ask, why appeal to the most evil instincts of people, and feed depravity and negativity that robs others of even a shread of humanity or self-worth? It appears to be more about making a buck than standing up for any noble principles.

I try to be tolerant, but I find myself questioning why the actual beating of women (or men), or treating of people in what would otherwise be considered inhumane or criminal ways should be tolerated within the adult industry irregardless of consent forms and cash.

I do not feel you are being a champion of the adult industry when you embark on these ventures. Face it, some in the adult industry are losers and sick people who don't care how much they debase others, and they appear unwilling to take any responsibility or accountabilty for the pain and suffering which they bring upon others, both directly and indirectly no matter how noble they try to make themselves appear.

Believe me, I feel similar ways about the government. I regret, speak out, and take action, against the government in the name of the many foreign people whom have been killed wrongly in the name of freedom, and the many American lives that have been sacrificed in vain merely to profit the ruling elite.

A problem I see is that which the worst offenders within the adult industry are doing is not making anything better, and may possibly contribute to making matters worse for the vast majority of us.

As others have stated, it's very hard for anyone in the adult industry to speak out against such issues without appearing hypocritical. Especially when more conservative elements in this society, and many other societies, consider even the most softcore content that many of us produce to be equally as evil. Still, I am more inclined to trust in the majority as I seek to express my own views and expand the boundaries to that which I feel is acceptable.

It pains me to speak out against some of the acitivities of other producers in the industry. I certainly don't appreciate the ridicule that my being willing to speak out about my feelings on these issues brings forth against me. On many issues, I can say that I am in agreement with them. In some, I must refuse to go along.

Sometimes you have to take a stand against bullies - be they within the government or even within the adult industry (basically extremists on either end). For example, I must say that torturing prisoners is wrong, and I believe I must speak out against racism, and I feel that I have to say no to blatantly misogynistic/degrading acts in the adult industry. Otherwise the bullies win.

The people that want to promote and profit from the worst in the adult industry have honed and are experts at making their case that anything goes - it stands to reason since their business survival depends upon it.

Although often out of little more than selfish self-interest, these same people frequently pose as the greatest enemy of those viewed in possibly an even worse light than themselves - such as people involved in child porn or beastiality. How hypocritical is that? I would say much more than mine.

I refuse to buy into that. I think acceptable lines can be drawn which permit 95%+, or as much as 99% of us, to create responsible erotica.

This is a complex issue, yet in some ways it is simple. Start with the basic principle of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Sure, the most despicable creatures in society have no moral boundaries. However, that doesn't mean anyone should join them if it goes against their better sense. If anything, they are the ones you should speak out against most.

Settng a mimimum bar for society is the responsibility even for those of us within the adult industry. I'm sure this debate will be waged on so long as there are people willing to put profits before people, and many people on the other side remain silent when confronted by such people. We all have a voice. Democracy is acheived only when people educate themselves, look within themselves, and then speak out and take action on important issues.

A good approach might be to begin by speaking out and promoting the middle ground first. Then, once there is consensus among a strong majority, work at pushing the boundaries out in both directions to include as many people as possible. That is a basic principle of most modern enlightened societies. The biggest problems are caused by fringe elements on either side.

I don't have all of the answers. I simply refuse to be silenced by bullies that represent what I consider to be the worst about the adult industry.

Thank you for hearing out my rather long rant.

ADG Webmaster

03-03-2005, 08:55 AM
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	One Person's View I feel many self-proclaimed First Amendment freedom fighters in the adult industry are totally misguided and hide behind the guise of freedom, when in fact, some of what they are presenting is totally reprehensible, and represents indefensible forms of human behavior. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing artistic, and there are few (if any) freedom of speech issues involved in such things as conning "bums" into maiming or possibly even beating other poor people to death, simply because they signed a consent form and they are paid to do it. Yet BumFights and other such web sites still exist. I have not seen the EA content, so I am not specifically commenting upon it, however if it is as it has been described on Nightline recently, I might possibly find some of their content objectionable on similar grounds. There is a difference between simulated and actual behavior. Hollywood, the gaming industry, and others seem to understand this and self-regulate themselves accordingly in most instances, even with regards to simulated behavior. Fortunately, so do most of the people I have encountered in the adult industry. Even the savage sport of boxing abides by certain rules. The same cannot be said for some of the most extreme content packaged and sold to miscreants these days by a fringe element within the adult industry (who profess to speak for us all). At times it seems that the loudest most ardent voices often come from these same people. Of course they, and certainly not most of us, have the most to lose. I ask, why appeal to the most evil instincts of people, and feed depravity and negativity that robs others of even a shread of humanity or self-worth? It appears to be more about making a buck than standing up for any noble principles. I try to be tolerant, but I find myself questioning why the actual beating of women (or men), or treating of people in what would otherwise be considered inhumane or criminal ways should be tolerated within the adult industry irregardless of consent forms and cash. I do not feel you are being a champion of the adult industry when you embark on these ventures. Face it, some in the adult industry are losers and sick people who don't care how much they debase others, and they appear unwilling to take any responsibility or accountabilty for the pain and suffering which they bring upon others, both directly and indirectly no matter how noble they try to make themselves appear. Believe me, I feel similar ways about the government. I regret, speak out, and take action, against the government in the name of the many foreign people whom have been killed wrongly in the name of freedom, and the many American lives that have been sacrificed in vain merely to profit the ruling elite. A problem I see is that which the worst offenders within the adult industry are doing is not making anything better, and may possibly contribute to making matters worse for the vast majority of us. As others have stated, it's very hard for anyone in the adult industry to speak out against such issues without appearing hypocritical. Especially when more conservative elements in this society, and many other societies, consider even the most softcore content that many of us produce to be equally as evil. Still, I am more inclined to trust in the majority as I seek to express my own views and expand the boundaries to that which I feel is acceptable. It pains me to speak out against some of the acitivities of other producers in the industry. I certainly don't appreciate the ridicule that my being willing to speak out about my feelings on these issues brings forth against me. On many issues, I can say that I am in agreement with them. In some, I must refuse to go along. Sometimes you have to take a stand against bullies - be they within the government or even within the adult industry (basically extremists on either end). For example, I must say that torturing prisoners is wrong, and I believe I must speak out against racism, and I feel that I have to say no to blatantly misogynistic/degrading acts in the adult industry. Otherwise the bullies win. The people that want to promote and profit from the worst in the adult industry have honed and are experts at making their case that anything goes - it stands to reason since their business survival depends upon it. Although often out of little more than selfish self-interest, these same people frequently pose as the greatest enemy of those viewed in possibly an even worse light than themselves - such as people involved in child porn or beastiality. How hypocritical is that? I would say much more than mine. I refuse to buy into that. I think acceptable lines can be drawn which permit 95%+, or as much as 99% of us, to create responsible erotica. This is a complex issue, yet in some ways it is simple. Start with the basic principle of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Sure, the most despicable creatures in society have no moral boundaries. However, that doesn't mean anyone should join them if it goes against their better sense. If anything, they are the ones you should speak out against most. Settng a mimimum bar for society is the responsibility even for those of us within the adult industry. I'm sure this debate will be waged on so long as there are people willing to put profits before people, and many people on the other side remain silent when confronted by such people. We all have a voice. Democracy is acheived only when people educate themselves, look within themselves, and then speak out and take action on important issues. A good approach might be to begin by speaking out and promoting the middle ground first. Then, once there is consensus among a strong majority, work at pushing the boundaries out in both directions to include as many people as possible. That is a basic principle of most modern enlightened societies. The biggest problems are caused by fringe elements on either side. I don't have all of the answers. I simply refuse to be silenced by bullies that represent what I consider to be the worst about the adult industry. Thank you for hearing out my rather long rant. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)