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Originally Posted by will76
There is a lot I do not understand about this post:
1. you stated you converted like 1:45 and made $25 a signup. Then HSN switched to using ifriends and it jumped to 1:100 and you made $40+ a signup... save to assume you made more then 10 signups a week ? So with clickcash you were really making more then $40 a signup.. well how are you losing money ???? You say " I've watched my income fall in half overnight " and " I know I should be thrilled at being able to do 1/100 with CC, but when that same traffic was doing 1/45 for over a year straight its somewhat disheartening. " Well do the math... your ratio doubled but so did the signup pay out basically so how did you lose half, you should have been making about the same ??? If you get a lot of signups you would be making more with clickcash because of the volume bonus.
2. So HSN handles the traffic and then pushes it to ifriends, correct ? i am not sure how this works... could there be a problem there... extra step. I have no idea. My point is there are several things could have caused this to happen, so you think you have it figured out but none of us really know. Have you tried just signing up directly to clickcash to see how that works and compare ?
" When ARS contacted ifriends to get a response, supposedly all ifriends told them was that their processing was on a hard scrub." so says ARS... who knows... Ive been told ifriends doesn't scub, so not sure about that one.
Bottom line is the bottom line. I will say this a million times conversion ratio doesn't mean shit. How much do you make a week, that is what counts. People get so bent out of shape trying to find the program that converts 1:50 ... but neglect the fact of the income potential. Who cares if your traffic converts 1:50 but it pays a hell of a lot less then a program that is converting 1:200...
For people who compare ratio from program to program, it's volume of traffic, how you count for the hit, etc.. do you prequalify them with entry page and then set the cookie on links or do you do it like I do and set the cookie on page load. Ratios ONLY come into play when you are comparing your ad campaign #1 vs. your ad campaign #2 that is both receiving traffic from the same source.
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Hopefully I can clear things up.
1. I averaged 100 signups a week with HSN for 16 months prior to Jan 4th of this year. That same traffic would generate me on average 45 Clickcash signups. No matter how many times I ran comparisons in blocks of 10k uniques from the same traffic source, I could always expect those ratios within a variance of only 3%. 100 signups with HSN gets me $2500, whereas 45 with CC pays me $1975, plus I get the rewards points and great webmaster support and promo materials from HSN. No matter how many times I tested the same traffic source with both programs, HSN always generated a higher $/unique which is how I compare all programs. Did you ever give HSN a serious try or did you just send all your traffic to CC the last four years because of the higher payout?
2. Yes, as of Jan 4th HSN now passes the surfer onto the ifriends backend, and ifriends processes the cc verify. The only thing that differs is the tour and splash pages and join page. Yes I've signed up directly with Clickcash, but ARS allows multiple test signups so it was easier to determine when things were not right. When you go through 200k+ uniques without ever having a gap of 100 uniques without a sale then all of sudden have stretches of 400, 500 and 600 hits when ifriends starts processing it became obvious that there were problems. These gaps would also coincide with surfers emailing me telling me they were unable to signup because their cc was denied yet there was nothing wrong with it.
Not going to post a link to another forum, but here are some quotes from other HSN webmasters doing test signups the last month with ifriends:
"I try to sign up and it says "Credit Card Invalid". There is nothing wrong my card and it works everywhere else on the net. I wonder if this is a common occurance."
"happened to me last week...4 different cards...all declined
funny thing is one did get charged $1.15 but still was declined....but no nothing is wrong"
"same thing here, tried again today with 3 different cards. all invalid."
Having been with Clickcash for over 5 years and have always promoted cams exclusively its always been apparent in webmaster discussions that ifriends processing leaves a lot to be desired. In any CC discussion there always are those webmasters who scream shaving. I do not believe CC shaves, I just think the erratic ratios at times caused webmasters to think something funny was going on. Unless HSN finds new processing soon, I'll be forced to send the majority of my traffic to Clickcash since its the same processing but higher payouts.
On a side note Will, I've had good luck sending to the incrediblecams front page. When I convert over to sending directly to the join page from my sites, are you having better ratios with the old ifriends join page or the newer incredible cams join page?