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Shap · 01-29-2005, 08:37 PM

Hi Mark. First and foremost I?d like to clear one thing up, I made my posts on my own behalf. I didn?t do so for GTS or for anybody else. The reality is there are a lot of people that agree with what I posted. They are just too afraid to come out and say it. I received 11 icqs and 2 emails from webmasters saying they agree 100% with my post (and that doesn?t include GTS owners/employees). These are buyers, clients and other webmasters. My post isn?t coming from left field and it isn?t coming from DH. This is the feeling your company has given people in this industry.

Another thing I?d like to clear up is your claim that I am a NEW tgp owner. You may want to brush up on your TGP history. I?ve been a part of the TGP biz from the very beginning. The only two people I know that were in this business longer than I was are the legendary PK and Karl Bernard (and they are both non TGP). I?ve been a part of the freesite and tgp biz for many years now. Long before you sunk your shiny white teeth into this biz.

Now I don?t know how you run your business. You say you do all this advertising and that sounds great for you and your clients. The fact remains that the hun sells out whether you advertise or not. TheHun sells out thehun, regardless of whether cybercat, gts, gov, irs, irv, cot, or any other company represents it. The hun sells itself out. You can?t take credit for that. Your other clients however are not sold out. So it seems you may not be doing enough advertising. However like you said that?s up to you and your clients. You run your business how you want to run it. I?ll run mine how I want to run mine. I also feel that the fact that my business impacts many other webmasters I?m always open to answering any questions they may have, be it in public or in private. I feel I owe it to the people that do business with us. I?m not one to hide from any question or subject.

You Wrote:
?We are all in competition for the advertisers dollars. The best, cleanest traffic sites will continue to attract clients.?
Great that is exactly what I was talking about. In your earlier reply you claimed you had no competition.

You also said my claim was BS about it taking time for you guys to reply. Mark, PLEASE? everybody knows you don?t reply within 10 minutes of the email being sent. You have to sleep, right? Let?s say a European contacts you at 3am while you are sleeping and asks for a price list. You reply to him the next day when you wake up (and he is then sleeping). Then he replies when he wakes up and you are sleeping. In this case a price list on the website would definitely save time and increase the turnaround on gallery purchases. Wouldn?t you say? And a large majority of tgp business is in the European market, right? Just seems to make sense. Maybe I?m wrong.

The bottom-line is the gallery purchasing business is changing. Those that don?t adapt will fall to the side. I will give you credit, you created the market. You started it out a few years ago and did great. You took on sites with huge traffic and made it easier to buy spots. You helped people make more money. Then along came DH and he took it to the next level. He took a door to door salesman?s aggressive mentality and applied it to the gallery selling biz. I believe he took your business model improved on it and added his hunger for new business to it. As a result he was able to get new clients to join him and even get some of your existing clients to jump ship. He did so by doing one thing, making his clients more money than they ever made before. The exact same formula that got you started with the hun hahaha61514;

Obviously this isn?t the end. The gallery purchasing market is a very young market. It has had only 2 companies that have made an impact on it. We all know that both are doing very well. That being said I believe the gallery purchasing market is in for an evolution over the next year. To this day everything is still run by email and manually. I think there is an opening for someone to come out and make the buying and selling of gallery spots easier than ever. Who will be the company to launch the most efficient way of selling gallery spots. Gts? Cybercat? Younity? Someone else? Who knows. The one certainty is that you will continue to be very successful as long as you have the hun hahaha61514;

So after all this is said, I just have to say I have nothing against you. If you ask around you?ll see my posts aren?t personal. I?m not a lapdog like a lot of other webmasters. When something doesn?t sound right I question it. You claimed you had no competition in your initial reply and that wasn?t right. I think if somebody makes themselves available to questioning (as you did in this thread) it should be about real questions pertaining to their business, not bs pussy questions like what?s the secret to your coffee.

01-29-2005, 08:37 PM
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Hi Mark. First and foremost I?d like to clear one thing up, I made my posts on my own behalf. I didn?t do so for GTS or for anybody else. The reality is there are a lot of people that agree with what I posted. They are just too afraid to come out and say it. I received 11 icqs and 2 emails from webmasters saying they agree 100% with my post (and that doesn?t include GTS owners/employees). These are buyers, clients and other webmasters. My post isn?t coming from left field and it isn?t coming from DH. This is the feeling your company has given people in this industry. Another thing I?d like to clear up is your claim that I am a NEW tgp owner. You may want to brush up on your TGP history. I?ve been a part of the TGP biz from the very beginning. The only two people I know that were in this business longer than I was are the legendary PK and Karl Bernard (and they are both non TGP). I?ve been a part of the freesite and tgp biz for many years now. Long before you sunk your shiny white teeth into this biz. Now I don?t know how you run your business. You say you do all this advertising and that sounds great for you and your clients. The fact remains that the hun sells out whether you advertise or not. TheHun sells out thehun, regardless of whether cybercat, gts, gov, irs, irv, cot, or any other company represents it. The hun sells itself out. You can?t take credit for that. Your other clients however are not sold out. So it seems you may not be doing enough advertising. However like you said that?s up to you and your clients. You run your business how you want to run it. I?ll run mine how I want to run mine. I also feel that the fact that my business impacts many other webmasters I?m always open to answering any questions they may have, be it in public or in private. I feel I owe it to the people that do business with us. I?m not one to hide from any question or subject. You Wrote: ?We are all in competition for the advertisers dollars. The best, cleanest traffic sites will continue to attract clients.? Great that is exactly what I was talking about. In your earlier reply you claimed you had no competition. You also said my claim was BS about it taking time for you guys to reply. Mark, PLEASE? everybody knows you don?t reply within 10 minutes of the email being sent. You have to sleep, right? Let?s say a European contacts you at 3am while you are sleeping and asks for a price list. You reply to him the next day when you wake up (and he is then sleeping). Then he replies when he wakes up and you are sleeping. In this case a price list on the website would definitely save time and increase the turnaround on gallery purchases. Wouldn?t you say? And a large majority of tgp business is in the European market, right? Just seems to make sense. Maybe I?m wrong. The bottom-line is the gallery purchasing business is changing. Those that don?t adapt will fall to the side. I will give you credit, you created the market. You started it out a few years ago and did great. You took on sites with huge traffic and made it easier to buy spots. You helped people make more money. Then along came DH and he took it to the next level. He took a door to door salesman?s aggressive mentality and applied it to the gallery selling biz. I believe he took your business model improved on it and added his hunger for new business to it. As a result he was able to get new clients to join him and even get some of your existing clients to jump ship. He did so by doing one thing, making his clients more money than they ever made before. The exact same formula that got you started with the hun hahaha61514; Obviously this isn?t the end. The gallery purchasing market is a very young market. It has had only 2 companies that have made an impact on it. We all know that both are doing very well. That being said I believe the gallery purchasing market is in for an evolution over the next year. To this day everything is still run by email and manually. I think there is an opening for someone to come out and make the buying and selling of gallery spots easier than ever. Who will be the company to launch the most efficient way of selling gallery spots. Gts? Cybercat? Younity? Someone else? Who knows. The one certainty is that you will continue to be very successful as long as you have the hun hahaha61514; So after all this is said, I just have to say I have nothing against you. If you ask around you?ll see my posts aren?t personal. I?m not a lapdog like a lot of other webmasters. When something doesn?t sound right I question it. You claimed you had no competition in your initial reply and that wasn?t right. I think if somebody makes themselves available to questioning (as you did in this thread) it should be about real questions pertaining to their business, not bs pussy questions like what?s the secret to your coffee.