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Mutt · 01-01-2005, 02:38 AM

what a crock - talking about retention and free porn. the guy has joined the site, he's proven he's not a free porn leech. if he books out it's because the site sucked or he downloaded everything and he's off to the next site to do the same. trials should go the fuck away, we need to re-educate surfers, set new ground rules - at least get 25 bucks out of them. So the guys who go from site to site with their downloaders at least return a profit to everybody.

free porn has zip to do with retention, the guy already knows there is lots of free porn out there, he's looking to find either better stuff or less hassle getting at it. it does affect the total number of joins though. and the number of joins are down, if they are indeed down and nobody has confirmed this, the pie is probably bigger but the numbe of slices just keeps growning and growing , because of big affiliate programs poisoning surfers with scams and shitty paysites for years. Talk to a guy on the street some day or the guy sitting next to you in the bar about porn paysites. Odds are he'll tell you about how he was fucked over or a friend or cousin was or 'I can get all the porn I need for free'.

retention is down because the surfers are smarter and the number of choices for them to join good quality paysites has mushroomed.

i really wish the credit card processors would make this kind of data available, they don't need to identify the sites/programs - but it would be nice to see these figures broken down according to niche, exclusive vs licensed content, amount of content, etc

I sell exclusive content but I am honest, I don't claim exclusive content is some magic bullet. Exclusive content matters to many small and medium webmasters these days, they respond to it - it allows some small people to be quite successful - nothing like a big affiliate program - but a one or two guy operation can make nice livings. Take a look at FTVGirls, AllInternal, the single girl site successes - lots of today's webmasters come into this biz now with alot of experience as porn surfers, they care more about the sites they promote than the people who got into the biz betwee, 97-2000.

it is depressing, even the best sites out there are between 2 and 3 months retention - maybe a few get above 3.

not really good news for anybody, big affiliate programs or small operators, or affiliates.

one thing i'd like to know is the number of returning members the high quality exclusive content sites get. nobody ever talks about the 'returnees' - the guys who join a site, like it for a few months, cancel then a few months down the road type it in and join again.

i really don't think there's a site out there i'd join - and that worries me, cuz i don't consider myself much different than the average surfer. there's just too much porn period - it dilutes everything.

01-01-2005, 02:38 AM
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	what a crock - talking about retention and free porn. the guy has joined the site, he's proven he's not a free porn leech. if he books out it's because the site sucked or he downloaded everything and he's off to the next site to do the same. trials should go the fuck away, we need to re-educate surfers, set new ground rules - at least get 25 bucks out of them. So the guys who go from site to site with their downloaders at least return a profit to everybody. free porn has zip to do with retention, the guy already knows there is lots of free porn out there, he's looking to find either better stuff or less hassle getting at it. it does affect the total number of joins though. and the number of joins are down, if they are indeed down and nobody has confirmed this, the pie is probably bigger but the numbe of slices just keeps growning and growing , because of big affiliate programs poisoning surfers with scams and shitty paysites for years. Talk to a guy on the street some day or the guy sitting next to you in the bar about porn paysites. Odds are he'll tell you about how he was fucked over or a friend or cousin was or 'I can get all the porn I need for free'. retention is down because the surfers are smarter and the number of choices for them to join good quality paysites has mushroomed. i really wish the credit card processors would make this kind of data available, they don't need to identify the sites/programs - but it would be nice to see these figures broken down according to niche, exclusive vs licensed content, amount of content, etc I sell exclusive content but I am honest, I don't claim exclusive content is some magic bullet. Exclusive content matters to many small and medium webmasters these days, they respond to it - it allows some small people to be quite successful - nothing like a big affiliate program - but a one or two guy operation can make nice livings. Take a look at FTVGirls, AllInternal, the single girl site successes - lots of today's webmasters come into this biz now with alot of experience as porn surfers, they care more about the sites they promote than the people who got into the biz betwee, 97-2000. it is depressing, even the best sites out there are between 2 and 3 months retention - maybe a few get above 3. not really good news for anybody, big affiliate programs or small operators, or affiliates. one thing i'd like to know is the number of returning members the high quality exclusive content sites get. nobody ever talks about the 'returnees' - the guys who join a site, like it for a few months, cancel then a few months down the road type it in and join again. i really don't think there's a site out there i'd join - and that worries me, cuz i don't consider myself much different than the average surfer. there's just too much porn period - it dilutes everything. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!