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Old 12-11-2004, 12:57 PM  
Libertine
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Originally posted by psili
Guns Don't Kill, People do:

"?What makes gun control so compelling for many is the belief that violent crime is driven by the availability of guns, and more importantly, that criminal violence in general may be reduced by limiting access to firearms,? says Gary Mauser, author of the paper and professor of business at Simon Fraser University. "
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Perhaps, by ratio per capita, America has more fucked up people than other countries. I'm willing to believe that as I see them every day driving to and from work.


Stats, stats and more stats: Those who claim the US is much, much worse than "some other" countries have your stats skewed. Basically, if you compare only firearm homicide and suicide data alone (and against a biased selection of other countries), the US will rank high. However, take into account TOTAL homicide and suicide rates, even against those selective countries and the US rates much better.

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People are knocking themselves and others off regardless of gun availability. Don't kid yourself with this false argument in this thread.

I think the whole gun-control this, gun-control that argument is pointless. "...the risk of death in the US due to homicide, suicide and gun accidents is not significantly higher than in the rest of the world".

Ever see the movie Soylent Green? "It's people!". "It's people!". You're goddamn right it's people that's the issue.
Your article is lumping in suicide with homicide, and basing its conclusions on the combined numbers. However, it is self-evident that there is no good reason to do so.

When looking only at homicide rates, the US scores significantly worse than any other western country (including Japan), even according to your little article.
Now, what the pro-gun people are saying is that without guns, people would just kill in other ways. Is this the case?
In western countries where guns are banned, non-firearm homicides are on a similar level as in the US. In the US, however, firearm homicides are WAY higher than in those countries. This sure does seem to suggest that more guns = more homicides.


Now, one could also look at your argument that "by ratio per capita, America has more fucked up people than other countries". If this is the case, should those fucked up people have guns? What purpose does that serve except for fighting overpopulation?
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