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Sorry Nedder, but you're really not even worth debating with... on the other hand, you've said a couple of things that showed some pretty disturbing ignorance.
1) Trying to understand why the terrorists attacked us is not unpatriotic. It's just good sense.
2) We weren't attacked because we're a democracy. Politicians know the art of soundbyte propaganda (trust me, I've taken my share of government classes myself... they have a staff of people specifically for PR strategies like this). So if they want to unite people behind the cause, they say things like, "They were attacking our freedom." "They were attacking our democratic way of life." They use values that the people care deeply about in order to bolster support. But the truth is just never that simple. Even a dimwit should be able to see that. And if there's something unpatriotic about trying to understand their motivations, so that we might prevent a repeat of the attack in the future, then go ahead and put me in that unpatriotic category... I honestly don't mind. I'm not a big fan of dogmatic nationalism anyway. Put me in the "thinker" category instead.
3) The communist insult is pretty outdated. Let's get past McCarthyism... hell, it's 2002. If you're still being manipulated by propaganda of historical times, then it's mind boggling to think how easy you must be (and obviously are) to manipulate with more modern propaganda.
4) The argument that those who disagree with you are just believing what they're told... well, here's the thing. I'm not a Democrat. Prior to the primaries, if I had to choose one of the candidates from the 2 main parties, I would have definitely gone with McCain (though my commitment was already to the Greens). So you see, in my case, I'm not believing my party leaders, because technically, I belong to no party. What I like to do is this thing called reading. I stay away from mainstream media (which is owned the media conglomerates, ensuring that your news is saturated with corporatism, nationalism, and the bias of the week). Instead, I read independent papers. I watch C-Span. I read government sites to actually watch how politicians vote (you would be surprised!). I read books. I look at each side of every debate, and I come up with a reasonable summation, as free from mainstream media propaganda as I can possibly get. And my conclusion based on the most objective perspective I can possibly achieve: you're nothing more than propaganda sponge, soaking up every morsel they feed you.
By the way, this isn't directed at Bush supporters in general. I disagree with you if you support Bush, but would never condescend you... (for instance, R3K... I respect your opinion, even if I disagree). It's just this guy... I wonder if a free thought ever passes through his mind.
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