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Old 11-14-2004, 02:46 PM  
Libertine
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Originally posted by baddog
and that is where your problem began.

Those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. So whether you feel it is relevant or not does not mean much IMHO.

There were more women around and a lot lower percentage of male blacks when they gave the black man the right to vote.

Comparing England to the US for political discussions shows how clueless you really are. They have a fucking queen, of course they are going to be more ready to accept a female PM. They are used to being told what to do by a chick.
There was no problem with my assumption, in fact, it was a very generous one. I'd bet the female vote is >50%, while the black vote is <13%, which only strengthens my point.


If you don't understand the difference between "giving the right to vote" and "voting for", I am honestly starting to wonder why I am even arguing with you.
There is no repeating of history here, since this is a fundamentally different issue. Honestly, how can you not see that? The mere fact that both issues deal with "black/women" and "voting" does not at all suggest that they are comparable.

A smaller group getting democratic rights before a larger group has nothing to do with a larger group that already has democratic rights having more influence in the democratic process.



As for your comments about comparing the UK to the US, it seems you completely misunderstood what I wrote and followed that up with a completely nonsensical statement.

First of all, as I said in the very same line containing the "never say never though... in the UK, Thatcher was a conservative", I do not expect the same thing to happen in the US. Saying I'm comparing the two thus makes no sense.

Secondly, in the UK women are actually severely under-represented in the government even when compared to other European countries, and the Conservatives tend to have a relatively lower representation of women than Labour.
And yes, I know that your comment about the queen was most likely a joke, but I have no sense of humour.
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