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Originally posted by Mike33
Nathan, I appreciate your reply. You should read more of the thread.
Regarding #1:
Your statement "Thus, because there is no other feasable explanation of why we are here, or how it all evolved from single-cell organisms, evolution is a PROVEN FACT."
Your statemtn above can be applied to any belief. Religious zealots can say that God IS another feasable explanation for why we are here, so would that make it a PROVEN FACT? I think not.
Regarding #2:
I agree that mutations have been observed and I agree that salient selective natural selection has been observed. I could say that a man getting out of a burning building by figuring out how to unlock the door to survive is natural selection because he survives while everybody else dies. Is it really a case of natural selection? Maybe...maybe not. We can say it is if that's how we wish to interpret it.
Grasping mutations over a long period of time? I can grasp that easily. You can have a trillion mutations of bacteria or virus, and still wind up with just a bacterio or virus. YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING a mutation somwhere along the line will form something more than just another strain. YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING that it will somehow become a multi-celled organism. Not me. Is it reasonable to assume this? Yes it is, but it's NOT necessarily the case, and it has NOT been demonstrated EVER.
Again, to say "it's a process that takes millions of years" is a cop out. That's not a scientific answer. That's a big wide black fill-in-the-blank.
Evolution says we popped out here as a single cell one day. That is what YOU believe, not me.
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#1 No, you are actually wrong. Your example of explaining it has by far more holes and problems than Evolution. Thus that theory stands and remains the scientific fact. Like others have said, the only way to remove evolution from being the scientific fact would be to find problems with it AND find OTHER MEANS to explain THOSE PROBLEMS without breaking the rest.
#2 There is nothing to interpret. Natural Selection is anything which makes a difference in A and B cause A or B to survive natural problems. Humans are extremely bad examples, because we have developed an intelligence which helps us circumvent natural selection, or I guess one would say, win most of the time.
The only viable examples are things like the moth experiment posted earlier. You of course immediately say "but thats a silly experiment, of COURSE the black moth survives".. well, sorry, but that IS natural selection. The black moth is a mutation, and it survives, or the white moth is one and it dies. Either way, natural selection. Evolution has made sure that the black moths are preferred in terms of handing down their genes.
Also, mutation is something that not always is needs to be considered something spontanious. We evolve by mixing our genes. The example of humans being bigger now than hundreds of yours ago, you simply dismissed by saying "Well, but asians in america are taller than asians in asia, thus this has nothing to dow ith evolution, its a diet thing"... You do realize that we are talking local europe for example here and those people that were taller than others had a better chance of surviving thus giving away their genes.
Your main problem is the that you do not understand how for example a Fish evolves to a Lizard or the like. There are still today species in between those to which show the chain at least in parts. There are fish where the fins have evolved to something more similar to feet because they are mostly "walking" on the ground and not swimming.
Evolution takes billions of years simply because it is so many tiny changes that need to be picked up by natural selection. For example, in case of the fish, there were those with big and small fins, the bigger the fin, the better they could hold themself on the ground, did it become too big they had problems again. Natural selection made sure that those with the right sized fin survived more than the others. That does not mean that NONE of the small or huge fin fish survived, it just means that MORE big fin fish survived causing a natural selection over a few hundred years.
And it goes on and on.... Its not really a huge problem to explain all kinds of mutations.