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Originally posted by Nathan
Ok, emm.. Mike33... there are two fundamental problems here which lead to you never beleiving in this ;)
1) You do not seem to understand what science is, or at least not how "facts" in science are proven.
2) You do not seem to understand what evolution is.
I might base this on too little of the thread read, but oh well...
About 1)
A scientific "fact" basically is anything that can not be explained differently. For example: A few hundred years ago, the earth was FLAT for most people. Why? Because it honestly LOOKS flat if you just look outside. Until it was proven that it just looks flat because it is so immensly big, it was a scientific fact that it is flat.
That might be a bad example, but thats how it is. You can use any other "fact" with this and it is the same.
Thus, because there is no other feasable explanation of why we are here, or how it all evolved from single-cell organisms, evolution is a PROVEN FACT.
About 2)
Evolution is the process of organisms changing over long periods of time due to mutations and natural selection.
You do agree that mutations happen, you do agree that natural selections happen, but you do not accept Evolution. Just because your mind can not grasp what mutations and natural selections on a LARGE SCALE over a LONG PERIOD OF TIME (we are not talking _millions_ of years here btw, we are talking _billions_) can produce.
Our organisms, be it a single cell organism, a human being, or a blue wale, all have DNA. Mutate it, and the organism changes. It takes a LOOOOOONG time, and we might not know why exactly it DID happen or how, but obviously it did, or we would not be here now.
Or do you think we just popped up here out of nowhere one day?
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Nathan, I appreciate your reply. You should read more of the thread.
Regarding #1:
Your statement "Thus, because there is no other feasable explanation of why we are here, or how it all evolved from single-cell organisms, evolution is a PROVEN FACT."
Your statemtn above can be applied to any belief. Religious zealots can say that God IS another feasable explanation for why we are here, so would that make it a PROVEN FACT? I think not.
Regarding #2:
I agree that mutations have been observed and I agree that salient selective natural selection has been observed. I could say that a man getting out of a burning building by figuring out how to unlock the door to survive is natural selection because he survives while everybody else dies. Is it really a case of natural selection? Maybe...maybe not. We can say it is if that's how we wish to interpret it.
Grasping mutations over a long period of time? I can grasp that easily. You can have a trillion mutations of bacteria or virus, and still wind up with just a bacterio or virus. YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING a mutation somwhere along the line will form something more than just another strain. YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING that it will somehow become a multi-celled organism. Not me. Is it reasonable to assume this? Yes it is, but it's NOT necessarily the case, and it has NOT been demonstrated EVER.
Again, to say "it's a process that takes millions of years" is a cop out. That's not a scientific answer. That's a big wide black fill-in-the-blank.
Evolution says we popped out here as a single cell one day. That is what YOU believe, not me.