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Old 09-02-2004, 11:45 PM  
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Ignorance seems to be a recurring theme on this board; hell with the entire Democratic party for that matter. George W. Bush has provided leadership and decisive action in a time that required it and in a nation that required it. 9/11 has changed the world, and I hope I'm preaching to the freakin choir when I say that. While John Kerry and the rest of the Democratic party would rather "talk things out", and stay on diplomatic means instead, George Bush has gotton things done.

Iraq was a GOOD idea. The fact that the Democrats wanted to use "Diplomatic" means just screams the fuckin word "Ignorance". Let's get things straight: diplomacy does NOT work with the likes of Saddam Hussein, period! Fuck, we tried diplomacy with that madman for 10 years and what did that do for us? All he did was break UN resolutions constantly and defy everything we tried to make him do. Now I firmly believe in war as the final, and I mean FINAL means of international relations. However, some people you simply cannot "talk" to to make things better.

Furthermore, George W. Bush proved his leadership qualities even more in this issue in regards to the United Nations. To me, the U.N. does some great things for the world, and I think it is highly beneficial. However, the problem of legitimacy and credibility remains. John Kerry and Co wanted more UN support for the war in Iraq, which in other words means diplomacy. Where was the UN during the Rwandan Genocide in 1994? Oh yeah, it was Bill Clinton and the United Nations who completley sat on their asses and IGNORED the situation entirely because they were too afraid to act. Too afraid because they didn't want to see a few american soldiers that may have gotton killed for a greater cause; they didn't want a "political disaster" like what happened in Somalia. It's leadership like that, or lack of leadership for that matter, that really scares me.

Also, Bush's decision to virtually go unilaterally into Iraq was a good one as well. Issues of AMERICAN national security should not be left up to the UN security council. Furthermore the United States should never need a "UN hall pass" to protect its own interests. In this post 9/11 world, indecisiveness is the worst route one can take. Sooner or later Saddam Hussein was going to have to be removed. You all know it, and I hope you're still not ignorant enough to ignore that simple and obvious fact. The world is a safer place with that lunatic in prison. The world is a safer place because George W. Bush has taken action and brought the fight to the enemy before the enemy decides to attack us. An old saying sums that up nicely: "A smaller headeache now instead of huge headache later is a much better deal."

As for the WMD and all this bullshit about Bush lying to the American public, I say have some patience for christ's sake. Iraq is the size of California, and it's all desert. Saddam had over a month to hide his weapons programs before we came in. Just this past year we found a 20 ton Russian Mig that Saddam bought from Russia that he BURIED in the sand. The funny thing is this jet is 70 feet long and was buried years before even the 1st gulf war! And it was buried 10 feet under ground! Hell, I'll personaly go buy all of you a fuckin shovel and you can start digging. Just remember you're looking for canisters the lenghts of a few feet; not a fuckin 20 ton Mig fighter jet. The source who revealed the jet to us even said that there's still 14 buried in the Iraqi desert somewhere. Again, have some patience! It's been just over a year, I bet they'll turn up eventually. Just be patient and open up a little bit to the possibility you might be wrong, or even partially wrong.

As for the whole "oil bullshit", all I can say is ignorance. It's all bullshit. Quick, go grab a calculater and i'll prove it to all of you. Ready? Ok. One could usurp EVERY drip of of oil from every square inch of Iraq and selling all that oil would not even be enough to pay for the war itself.

Now, if you're still reading this and you still hate Bush, fine, I don't really care. I'm just asking you to see my point of view; I think he's done an outstanding job with our foreign relations. Hell, I even disagree with him on a bunch of stuff. I dont like how he wants to incorporate religion into everything, I don't like how he's trying to ban gay marriage; hell let the gay community get married if they want, it's not gonna hurt anybody. But these disagreements aren't going to sway my vote because they are minor issues to me compared to national security and foreign policy.

Anywho, hopefully this will spark this "debate" even though it seems to be a completely one-sided liberal thread so far. I'm fuckin tired and i'm goin to bed so i'm giving you guys (and girls) the last word. At least until the morning ;)
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