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Originally posted by goBigtime
Ok, then how about this: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994903
Scientific method used:
Simon Holgate and Philip Woodworth of the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory, in Bidston, UK, found this discrepancy using the Topex satellite, launched in 1992. The satellite measures sea level by bouncing microwaves off the ocean and timing the return trip.
According to the Topex data, global average sea level rose by 2.8 millimetres a year between 1993 and 2002. This is thought to be a consequence of global warming: water in the oceans expands as it warms up, and more is added as glaciers and ice caps melt.
But during the same period, the water level within 100 kilometres of the coast rose faster, by an average of 3.7 millimetres a year.
Of course now you'll reply back citing another "Some scientists believe oranges are really apples at the molecular level!", to try to discount the findings mentioned above.
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Actually no need to, you actually just gave a lot of validation to my argument
I find it interesting that you quoted this and then completely ignored anything contradictory such as
Boundary waves
In 1996, ocean modellers predicted that this effect could be at work in the seas. Kirk Bryan of Princeton University and his colleagues worked out what would happen when part of an ocean heats up: the water expands, creating waves that hit the coast then travel around the rim of the ocean basin for several years.
But tell me this about the telescope and how it shows levels higher at the coasts than in the middle of the ocean..... How would the addition of water from melted ice on the WHOLE over the COMPLETE amount of interconnected water on the planet called the oceans be higher at the points where it meets the land and not equally as high in the middle of the ocean? Water in a glass is higher at the edges, this is because of the cohesive principle of water. Water is more or less dense based on its temperature, but there is an average temperature of ocean water and it also behaves differantly than fresh water, more physics that is being completely overlooked in these findings, more lack of proper scientific method
A wave exists when the water molecules at the bottom of the wave bump into the ocean floor, the molecules at the bottom of the wave slow down because of friction, the water at the top does not get slowed down as much and so it keeps a more uniformed speed. When the differance in speed is to great the water at the top, topples over and the wave crashes, this has the effect of moving sediments or erroding solid items. The bigger the waves the more violent the action and the more they move. Plants help to reduce this as their roots hold the sediments, but Water is the strongest force on earth, it can dissolve almost anything when given enough time and when driven by wind it is damn near unstoppable.
So is it safe to say that the constant crashing of waves over the years could in fact have removed increasing amounts of sediment from the continents across the world, that said waves could now be getting to softer and softer sediments with less and less plant life to slow the process, that said process has been happening all the time and that only NOW within the past 20 years have people started monitoring and are basing things on appearances. You very own argument says that the coasts show increases while the middle does not, seems to me that the erosion is digging at the coast lines and giving the waves more and more distance to travel with each crash........ THAT is scientific method, not looking at something and saying "oh cuz i see it that is what happened", that is speculation. When you look at a problem and you analize it, you test things in controls, you use logic THEN you are using scientific method.
According to the Topex data, global average sea level rose by 2.8 millimetres a year between 1993 and 2002. This is thought to be a consequence of global warming: water in the oceans expands as it warms up, and more is added as glaciers and ice caps melt.
But during the same period, the water level within 100 kilometres of the coast rose faster, by an average of 3.7 millimetres a year.
Holgate and Woodworth wonder whether the oceans are behaving like water in a bathtub. If you splash in the bath, waves travel outwards and then run around the edges of the tub.
no when you splash in a bathtub the waves go outwards till they hit the edges, then they rush back towards the origin, they then hit each other and weaken, some of the energy causes a reverse wave which starts the process over again untill friction changes all kinetic energy back into potential energy. But once again we have the melting of ice adding to water levels, just not true, if the water is warming and melting the ice then the ice is going to cause the level to go down.