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Boy Howdy! Lots of testosterone flying in this thread - plus some good discussion.
I'm no expert/master/whatever of any of the arts but I did do a bit of study in Okinawa with the RyuKyu (sp? been a while) styles. A form of chinese boxing that the Okinawans adapted into their own style including the use of basic farming/fishing tools to combat the Samari Warriors that would come to the island to test their skills. The original masters of these styles developed "fists of stone" with the ability to punch straight through the body armor of the samari and crush their heart.
It's boxing with grappling combined and very deadly. If you're into toe-2-toe fighting style check it out and find a good dojo. If/when a fight goes to the floor against an expert in this form/style it's usually the oponent falling limp and lifeless.
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