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Donny · 07-23-2004, 06:06 PM

Hey guys... if religious debates are of interest to you the following email may interest you. I just sent it as a reply to my ex-sister-in-law that occasionally tries to send me messages about the Bible in an effort to save this poor lost porn-producing sinner.

It's VERY long and filled with Bible quotes and references to Biblical occurences. But if you EVER want to be able to debate a "christian", then you must be able to use examples from the Bible.

Be warned: this won't be of any interest to you unless you want to be able to bring up points with Bible Thumpers.

- Donny -

-----Original Message-----

From: DP Photography [mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:30 PM

To: 'Laura'

Subject: RE: From Donny

Hello again Laura.

I don't know when I'm ever going to get it through my head that speaking with someone that's decided they believe the Bible is a frustrating experience and that a rational, scientific conversation is not possible. I mean no disrespect by that, but it's pretty true.

The typical thing for Bible believers to do is to start proving their points by quoting Bible scriptures. I'm sorry, but that is circular reasoning. That's sorta like me writing a book stating that I am God. And then when someone challenges my assertion that I am God, I take them to page such-and-such of the book I wrote and say, "See, there's your proof that I am God!".

Truth can be proven in many ways, yet the only way Bible believers have to prove the Bible is circumstances that could just as easily prove the Qur'an or several other alternate belief systems. Or by quoting scriptures from the Bible itself, which, again, is circular reasoning.

Speaking of the Qur'an: are you aware that Muslims, though they call him "Allah", serve the SAME God you do? Remember how Abraham had two sons, one legitimate and one illegitimate? I'm sure you know the illegitimate son is the ancestor of all Muslims. They descended from him. Therefore, they serve the God of Abraham. Christians also serve the God of Abraham. Same God. Yet there has been so much fighting between the two groups. Why? Because Christians believe THEY have "the only way" (whatever THAT is) and Muslims believe THEY have "the only way".

God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun 10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible breakthroughs on a daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of it is based on faith. God is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written.

07-23-2004, 06:06 PM
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Religious Discussion, Anyone ?? Hey guys... if religious debates are of interest to you the following email may interest you. I just sent it as a reply to my ex-sister-in-law that occasionally tries to send me messages about the Bible in an effort to save this poor lost porn-producing sinner. It's VERY long and filled with Bible quotes and references to Biblical occurences. But if you EVER want to be able to debate a "christian", then you must be able to use examples from the Bible. Be warned: this won't be of any interest to you unless you want to be able to bring up points with Bible Thumpers. - Donny - -----Original Message----- From: DP Photography [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:30 PM To: 'Laura' Subject: RE: From Donny Hello again Laura. I don't know when I'm ever going to get it through my head that speaking with someone that's decided they believe the Bible is a frustrating experience and that a rational, scientific conversation is not possible. I mean no disrespect by that, but it's pretty true. The typical thing for Bible believers to do is to start proving their points by quoting Bible scriptures. I'm sorry, but that is circular reasoning. That's sorta like me writing a book stating that I am God. And then when someone challenges my assertion that I am God, I take them to page such-and-such of the book I wrote and say, "See, there's your proof that I am God!". Truth can be proven in many ways, yet the only way Bible believers have to prove the Bible is circumstances that could just as easily prove the Qur'an or several other alternate belief systems. Or by quoting scriptures from the Bible itself, which, again, is circular reasoning. Speaking of the Qur'an: are you aware that Muslims, though they call him "Allah", serve the SAME God you do? Remember how Abraham had two sons, one legitimate and one illegitimate? I'm sure you know the illegitimate son is the ancestor of all Muslims. They descended from him. Therefore, they serve the God of Abraham. Christians also serve the God of Abraham. Same God. Yet there has been so much fighting between the two groups. Why? Because Christians believe THEY have "the only way" (whatever THAT is) and Muslims believe THEY have "the only way". God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun 10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible breakthroughs on a daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of it is based on faith. God is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written. Last edited by DonovanPhillips; 07-23-2004 at 06:08 PM..