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Bitter Apple is only to keep them from chewing on shit, not to punish them.
Generally you have to be patient until they learn what you want and start doing it, which they will if you teach them. Punishment usually doesn't work unless you happen to catch them in the act. They don't associate the punishment with the deed itself and keep in mind they're not doing it to piss you off, they want to make you happy if you show them how.
They're just not that bright.
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