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go in asia or eastern europe and try to signup thru CCBill with your visa or visa premier , and you'll see that you not only get scrubbed but even when back home you won't be ever again able to use your cards with CCBill. i havent been able to use both my visa international and my visa premier with CCBill since last march ( 2003) still they work perfectly with most processors except IBill wich sometimes refuses and sometimes accepts them
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