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Originally posted by charly
Quite a few, if you would only read it. Here's one.
quote -- Now the White House has informed the American people that they were also "all wrong" about their decision to place their faith in Ahmed Chalabi, even though they have paid him $340,000 per month. Thirty-three million dollars, and placed him adjacent to Laura Bush at the State of the Union address. Chalabi had been convicted of fraud and embezzling $70 million in public funds from a Jordanian bank, and escaped prison by fleeing the country. But in spite of that record, he had become one of key advisors to the Bush administration on planning and promoting the war against Iraq.
And they repeatedly cited him as an authority, perhaps even a future president of Iraq. Incredibly, they even ferried him and his private army into Baghdad in advance of anyone else, and allowed him to seize control over Saddam's secret papers.
Now they are telling the American people that he is a spy for Iran who has been duping the president of the United States for all these years.-- end quote
True or false?
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More or less true. The administration was apparently fooled by Chalabi. He was supposed to be giving info on the locations of WMD. It turns out he was full of shit and may have been spying for Iran. That doesn't mean they don't exist or that the war was the wrong thing to do.
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Originally posted by charly
There are many facts and statements from others. Answer these questions.
Is the world a safer place today?
Are Americans more loved or hated?
Has Bush tried to hide the facts?
Has Bush removed people rights?
Are the prisoners being treated under the Geneva Convention?
Has there been a system of torture in Iraq and Guantánamo Bay?
Did retired Generals speak out against the campaign?
Are the troops using Kevlar Vests paid for by donations?
The purpose of debate in a democracy is to argue your case and then the other side counters it. Just pointing your finger at the messenger means the message has validity.
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Is the world a safer place today? -- Yes the world is safer without Saddam in a position of power and in control of billions of dollars.
Are Americans more loved or hated? -- Depends who you ask.
Has Bush tried to hide the facts? -- ?
Has Bush removed people rights? -- ?
Are the prisoners being treated under the Geneva Convention? -- The prisoners in Iraq are supposed to be. Apparently a few soldiers have let their country down. Does the knowledge of or responsiblity for the abuse go further up the chain of command? We don't know yet.
Has there been a system of torture in Iraq and Guantánamo Bay? -- There has apparently been torture and abuse. How far does it go up the chain of command and is it a "system"? We don't know.
Did retired Generals speak out against the campaign? -- Yes at least one who's name I can't recall. Scharzkopf maybe? Anyway the decision was not theirs to make.
Are the troops using Kevlar Vests paid for by donations? -- I believe I remember reading that all soldiers were given body armor but at the beginning of the war only some received the newest and best body armor with ceramic plates while others received older body armor without ceramic plates. Soldiers family and friends as well as some strangers were donating the body armor with ceramic plates to some soldiers. Then congress authorized the money to be spent to supply all troops with the newest and best body armor with the ceramic plates. I'm not sure if they've all received the ceramic plated body armor yet or if that is still in the process of happening.
God I can't believe I let you bait me into answering your questions. I'm done.