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CDSmith · 09-29-2001, 09:29 AM

Heinz, stop whining. You can't deny that it's difficult to understand some of your writings. "bonobos"??? What the hell is that?

I'd be more interested to see any official studies or proof to back up what you said in a few of your posts here. You are like the people that blame TV violence for the Columbine massacre. They had no solid evidence either, and neither do you. Why do you continue beating your point to death?

And my comments about the Canada customs study was not only relevant to this topic but extremely relevant, it addressed some comments made about the long-term effects of violent entertainment on normal people, but again I guess I'm being low if I say it seems you don't get it. I don't know about YOUR point, but MY point is that dark fetish fantasy content for the purposes of entertainment has no effect long-term on average people, and does in some cases provide an outlet for some people that are less than average in some ways. The other part of my point was that we can't and shouldn't be promoting more censorship, and that people's own fantasies should be their own, period. Again, I don't see what is so hard to figure out about this or why these valid points must be argued to death.

And incognita (bullfinch?), your first points are very good, but that last "PS" left me wondering something....
the problem with your thinking in that last point is that, in order to actually MAKE a real teen blowjob video, real teens had to be used, no? This is again confusing reality with fantasy. Same with CP, real kids had to be used at some point, or underage people had to be depicted. In adult fantasy, only adults are participating and it's about fantasy play-acting, nothing is real and no-one get's hurt by it. Anything less is likely illegal, as it should be.

Heinz -- you've now made 2 or 3 bold statements about what harm fantasy content does (not "might do", you said it does) to the extremely sick-minded population of the world. How about you show me the proof. Also, if we were to ban everything that might be bad for the sickos like it seems you're suggesting, we'd have to remove all chat rooms and message boards, all horror movie content, some people are set off by watching disney shit so out goes their site too. Where does it end?

what is it you want Heinz? What? I'm here speaking up for freedom of expression, but what is it exactly that YOU are promoting?

[This message has been edited by CDSmith (edited 09-29-2001).]

09-29-2001, 09:29 AM
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Heinz, stop whining. You can't deny that it's difficult to understand some of your writings. "bonobos"??? What the hell is that? I'd be more interested to see any official studies or proof to back up what you said in a few of your posts here. You are like the people that blame TV violence for the Columbine massacre. They had no solid evidence either, and neither do you. Why do you continue beating your point to death? And my comments about the Canada customs study was not only relevant to this topic but extremely relevant, it addressed some comments made about the long-term effects of violent entertainment on normal people, but again I guess I'm being low if I say it seems you don't get it. I don't know about YOUR point, but MY point is that dark fetish fantasy content for the purposes of entertainment has no effect long-term on average people, and does in some cases provide an outlet for some people that are less than average in some ways. The other part of my point was that we can't and shouldn't be promoting more censorship, and that people's own fantasies should be their own, period. Again, I don't see what is so hard to figure out about this or why these valid points must be argued to death. And incognita (bullfinch?), your first points are very good, but that last "PS" left me wondering something.... the problem with your thinking in that last point is that, in order to actually MAKE a real teen blowjob video, real teens had to be used, no? This is again confusing reality with fantasy. Same with CP, real kids had to be used at some point, or underage people had to be depicted. In adult fantasy, only adults are participating and it's about fantasy play-acting, nothing is real and no-one get's hurt by it. Anything less is likely illegal, as it should be. Heinz -- you've now made 2 or 3 bold statements about what harm fantasy content does (not "might do", you said it does) to the extremely sick-minded population of the world. How about you show me the proof. Also, if we were to ban everything that might be bad for the sickos like it seems you're suggesting, we'd have to remove all chat rooms and message boards, all horror movie content, some people are set off by watching disney shit so out goes their site too. Where does it end? what is it you want Heinz? What? I'm here speaking up for freedom of expression, but what is it exactly that YOU are promoting? [This message has been edited by CDSmith (edited 09-29-2001).]