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Old 05-16-2004, 06:41 AM  
jayeff
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Originally posted by charly
I don't see how you say they would "Self-Destruct" the small TGP site were ones with poor traffic less webmasters posting, ones that have to give away spots.
Perhaps I took Battuss too literally: he wrote "they should ALL go for...", which, if his idea had any merit, might mean some TGPs assisting in their own destruction.

I wonder though how viable the pay to submit model is in the long term? If someone is making $200K annually from submissions, that puts him in a fairly small company. Yet that (only) equates to $550 a day.

If someone like that submits to say 50 TGPs, he may swallow $1 a day each. But even at that level he has already lost almost 10% of his income. Raise it to $5 a day and a massive 45% is gone. The picture isn't so simple, because if his payment guarantees a top spot, his income should increase some (not as much as you might imagine, because by chance or because he had good galleries, he would have got some top spots under the free-for-all approach).

Further, there are only so many top spots that really worth paying extra for and only so many webmasters capable of taking advantage of them. But TGPs need more than just the top 5-10 listings filled and many submitters are happy to be making (at least per submission), a lot less money than the example I used.

It is really problematic if like me, you submit to 60 or 70 TGPs by hand and another 500 by auto-submission. I don't have a clue where my income comes from. Most likely it has come in from both big and small TGPs, but I'm sure that even after 5 years many still haven't generated a single sale. That's no-one's "fault", just an inevitable consequence of TGP conversion ratios and the laws of statistics.

So how am I supposed to make a decision with any confidence as to whether paying one guy $10 a month is a waste of time or if $10 a day to another is money in the bank? The answer is that I can't and as soon as I either start paying too much in total, or cutting out the wrong TGPs, the whole thing jumps up and bites me.

Buying gallery listings is a whole different ball game from routine TGP submissions. I'm not at all certain that trying to blur the distinction is actually going to work if everyone tries to do it.
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