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Kimmykim · 08-06-2001, 11:25 PM

OK, here we go and then I'm done on the topic, I'd bet that most people are bored with it.

"I kinda said that You cant show me a single paysite which pulls at least half of what mainstream big guys do per month IF that single paysite does not have a webmaster program."
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Well to put it bluntly I'd be looking for a job if I ever showed one customers numbers to another, much less showed a public forum the same thing. I pretty much like being VP of Marketing for CCBill and Cavecreek so I'll keep the job over the ass kissing thank you

That said, if you read other boards you could probably pick up on who I am referring to, they are as much a friend of mine as a customer of ours, and don't have a problem telling anyone that they canned their wm program awhile back, and it's also obvious that they are doing very well.

"I just pointed out a clear fact that PROFIT of paysites does not come from prices of signups and trials , their duration and stuff like that."
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I have NO CLUE what kind of math or business skills you are referencing here, since the income of a pay site is determined from the number of joins, how they retain, and how one charges for each. Just as in any other business, what you pay to acquire a sale versus how much the sale is determines the gross profit of that sale. Then by factoring out the costs of running the business you see the net profit. There is no other formula to get GMROI that I'm aware of.

"With all their importance they are just HELPING to run it when the real stuff is - quality of content , quality of it's presentation , quality of advertising and ways of advertising."
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Funny how the most beautiful site in the world will die with no traffic but you throw a million uniques a day at a total dog and the owner will be eating caviar on a yacht somewhere...

"Now a billing company to my mind does not track it in any way."
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We track many things for our clients, including the effectiveness of their individual resellers and even their individual ad banners. We provide comprehensive stats so they can track price to retention combinations and ratios and we also provide people to explain those numbers to new webmasters who may need help in reading what's really there. We know our customers conversion rates, retention rates, best pricing points, best number of trial days, when they are down for two hours, hell if I looked hard enough I might be able to tell them what they had for lunch. Oh, and let's not forget we can tell them who's cheating, eliminating the number one profit killer to a sponsor...

And we are by no means the only billing companies which can and do provide these services to our customers. Both Jettis and IBill also run very comprehensive stats for their clients.

Now, as I said, I'm done talking about it in this thread since I don't want to bore the rest of the readers to death, but if you'd like to take it up in email, I'll be more than happy to do so with you

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08-06-2001, 11:25 PM
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	OK, here we go and then I'm done on the topic, I'd bet that most people are bored with it. "I kinda said that You cant show me a single paysite which pulls at least half of what mainstream big guys do per month IF that single paysite does not have a webmaster program." ============= Well to put it bluntly I'd be looking for a job if I ever showed one customers numbers to another, much less showed a public forum the same thing. I pretty much like being VP of Marketing for CCBill and Cavecreek so I'll keep the job over the ass kissing thank you That said, if you read other boards you could probably pick up on who I am referring to, they are as much a friend of mine as a customer of ours, and don't have a problem telling anyone that they canned their wm program awhile back, and it's also obvious that they are doing very well. "I just pointed out a clear fact that PROFIT of paysites does not come from prices of signups and trials , their duration and stuff like that." ============================= I have NO CLUE what kind of math or business skills you are referencing here, since the income of a pay site is determined from the number of joins, how they retain, and how one charges for each. Just as in any other business, what you pay to acquire a sale versus how much the sale is determines the gross profit of that sale. Then by factoring out the costs of running the business you see the net profit. There is no other formula to get GMROI that I'm aware of. "With all their importance they are just HELPING to run it when the real stuff is - quality of content , quality of it's presentation , quality of advertising and ways of advertising." =========================== Funny how the most beautiful site in the world will die with no traffic but you throw a million uniques a day at a total dog and the owner will be eating caviar on a yacht somewhere... "Now a billing company to my mind does not track it in any way." ========================== We track many things for our clients, including the effectiveness of their individual resellers and even their individual ad banners. We provide comprehensive stats so they can track price to retention combinations and ratios and we also provide people to explain those numbers to new webmasters who may need help in reading what's really there. We know our customers conversion rates, retention rates, best pricing points, best number of trial days, when they are down for two hours, hell if I looked hard enough I might be able to tell them what they had for lunch. Oh, and let's not forget we can tell them who's cheating, eliminating the number one profit killer to a sponsor... And we are by no means the only billing companies which can and do provide these services to our customers. Both Jettis and IBill also run very comprehensive stats for their clients. Now, as I said, I'm done talking about it in this thread since I don't want to bore the rest of the readers to death, but if you'd like to take it up in email, I'll be more than happy to do so with you [email protected]