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Incognito · 08-05-2001, 04:49 PM

C'mon Kimmy..

Guy has an obvious and 100% correct point - if Signup Sponsor makes more money it doesnt mean that it's webmasters do.

Of course it is so.

Here comes some fantasy math:
A webmaster gets his 35$ in any case. Sponsor might get 5$ out of the same signup on the same site after all expenses calculations and 50$ on side sales still from the same person.

If they do raise trials they might get 40$ from that signup (i.e. more guys stay longer cause that's what higher trials do) and 25$ on side sales which will total in 65$.
Which is like 15$ more.

Now the fun part is that higher trials DO make all sales a bit less.

So lets say You had 100 sales from webmasters in week "A" on cheap trials.
You payed out 3500$ to webmasters and profited how much? Right - 5500$ (5$ on 100 and 50$ sidesales on 100)

Now You have raised Your trials cost.
Lets say it takes away 20% of sales of membership.
Than in same week "A" You made only 80 sales.
So You didnt pay to webmasters 3500$ , You payed only 2800$ but how much did You earn?
Right - 5200$

Now see the joke? It's only 300 bucks less profit to the sponsor when it's whole 700$ less profit to the webmaster...

Now the real answer to the question on what will happen will always remain a secret? Why ? Cause how the fuck should we know the real math? It's all dependant on how much is really one signup worth for each of those guys and how much side sales is done and what exactly result will a raise of trial cost will do on a PER SIGNUP paysite membership retention.

Who knows? If the raise of trials will drop signups A BIT (like 10%) but raise overall (the original sales + side sales by from the same surfer) signup profit REALLY good (like 30%) than YES webmasters will earn less (i.e. exatcly 10% less cause that's how signups will fall down) and sponsor will earn more (yep, 30%).

Anyway it's hard to destinguish what's gonna happen cause it's VERY different in my mind to a usual paysite with no ads or lesser ads inside where higher trials are a proven profit generator.

That's the fun.

But still the words that if signup sponsor makes more money it doesnt mean that webmaster does - are 100% correct.

P.S. To big guys. There's a definite limit a surfer spends on porn and it cant be stretched. If they pay for porn sites 100$ per month in average - they wont pay more.

P.P.S. I still think that all those attempts to change the net are vain. Net doesnt give a fuck about changers and evolves it's own way. And with the amount of QUALITY content sites like ARS , MAX CAHS , GAMMA and alike got inside it is STILL a better idea to give trials away as free as possible.

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08-05-2001, 04:49 PM
Incognito Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: RU Posts: 371	C'mon Kimmy.. Guy has an obvious and 100% correct point - if Signup Sponsor makes more money it doesnt mean that it's webmasters do. Of course it is so. Here comes some fantasy math: A webmaster gets his 35$ in any case. Sponsor might get 5$ out of the same signup on the same site after all expenses calculations and 50$ on side sales still from the same person. If they do raise trials they might get 40$ from that signup (i.e. more guys stay longer cause that's what higher trials do) and 25$ on side sales which will total in 65$. Which is like 15$ more. Now the fun part is that higher trials DO make all sales a bit less. So lets say You had 100 sales from webmasters in week "A" on cheap trials. You payed out 3500$ to webmasters and profited how much? Right - 5500$ (5$ on 100 and 50$ sidesales on 100) Now You have raised Your trials cost. Lets say it takes away 20% of sales of membership. Than in same week "A" You made only 80 sales. So You didnt pay to webmasters 3500$ , You payed only 2800$ but how much did You earn? Right - 5200$ Now see the joke? It's only 300 bucks less profit to the sponsor when it's whole 700$ less profit to the webmaster... Now the real answer to the question on what will happen will always remain a secret? Why ? Cause how the fuck should we know the real math? It's all dependant on how much is really one signup worth for each of those guys and how much side sales is done and what exactly result will a raise of trial cost will do on a PER SIGNUP paysite membership retention. Who knows? If the raise of trials will drop signups A BIT (like 10%) but raise overall (the original sales + side sales by from the same surfer) signup profit REALLY good (like 30%) than YES webmasters will earn less (i.e. exatcly 10% less cause that's how signups will fall down) and sponsor will earn more (yep, 30%). Anyway it's hard to destinguish what's gonna happen cause it's VERY different in my mind to a usual paysite with no ads or lesser ads inside where higher trials are a proven profit generator. That's the fun. But still the words that if signup sponsor makes more money it doesnt mean that webmaster does - are 100% correct. P.S. To big guys. There's a definite limit a surfer spends on porn and it cant be stretched. If they pay for porn sites 100$ per month in average - they wont pay more. P.P.S. I still think that all those attempts to change the net are vain. Net doesnt give a fuck about changers and evolves it's own way. And with the amount of QUALITY content sites like ARS , MAX CAHS , GAMMA and alike got inside it is STILL a better idea to give trials away as free as possible. [This message has been edited by Incognito (edited 08-05-2001).] [This message has been edited by Incognito (edited 08-05-2001).]