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Originally posted by Rich
Yeah that's exactly the way you guys were talking a year ago, and that's exactly the way it was (and still is) sold to the American public. 
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Exactly. What's your point? Do you deny that the situation in pre-war Iraq contributed to the instablity of the Middle East?
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No one cared about the "red flag in the form of a mushroom cloud" statement, everyone was talking about stability in the area. Do you ever listen to yourself? You'll never accept that you were completely and totally fooled, but it's not complicated to the rest of the world.
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You're not making any sense. Now you're saying everyone was talking about stablity? Earlier you were ranting about how everyone was duped into the war by Bush's claims weapons of mass destruction.
While it is true that no wmd have been found, the perpetrator of the lie was Saddam, not Bush. Bush (and most of the rest of the world) fell for the lie. In a sense Saddam was brilliant, he could save some face and continue to maintain the illusion of a powerful Iraq simply by pretending that he might be hiding something. Unfortunately, he played the game little too well and waited too long to produce the evidence that he had dismantled his wmd programs.
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Want to know how I can tell it's you that's brainwashed and not me?
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This should be good. Lets look at it point by point...
Rich: Iraq wasn't a threat, Bush told you he was.
Iraq has been a threat since the first gulf war. Not a direct military threat mind you but a source of instability.
Saudi Arabia is a threat, Bush never mentions them.
While certain factions within Saudi Arabia are a threat, the Saudi state is not a threat. There is the argument that since they fund the export of Wahhabi Islam they are supporting radicals. However most of these radical factions within Saudi Arabia that threaten the US also oppose the governing Saud dynasty. You can't hold the actions of these groups against the state any more than you could the actions of FLQ against Canada.
Saudi's attack America.
Citizens of Saudi Arabia did attack the US. That does not mean that Saudi Arabia attacked the US.
Bush MOVES US TROOPS OUT OF SAUDIA ARAIBA.
The US presence in Saudi Arabia was causing problems for the Saudi government. Since the US is on friendly terms with the Saudi government why would it not move its troops?
The terrorist camps we should be worried about are left alone.
Which camps? The ones in Afghanistan?
You're fucking fearless leader is doing business with the people who attacked you and has for years.
Bush was doing business with the hijackers? Bush did business with Osama or Atef? Or are you implying that a whole family is guilty for the crimes of a single member?
He flies the Bin Ladens out of the country days after 9/11 when no one else could fly.
Given public anger at the Bin Laden name after 9/11 there was a good chance that innocent members of the family could have come to violence. I have heard the rumor they were flown out when nobody else could fly, I have also heard they left on 9/14 when the airports reopened.
He told everyone Saddam was related to terrorists and 9/11 and was going to sell them nukes, and invaded them.
Saddam had pledged $25,000 apiece for the families of each suicide bomber/martyr who attacked Israel. Whether or not this pledge was ever paid out, I honestly don't know.
It's a year later, all the facts are out in the open, and you're still sitting here looking around for ANY possible reason that you could have been right by supporting Bush.
Seems unlikely that all the facts are out in the open. I'd give it another 50 years for all the facts to be revealed. The WMD claims were incorrect, but the fact remains the invasion was a good thing.
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Originally posted by Rich
What simple minded people don't understand is that there isn't two sides to every issue. I know you've been taught to think of politics as a ball game, well wake the fuck up, it's not. You're wrong about this, and if you'd try to use common sense you'd get it. There's a wrong path for the world to be on, and this is it.
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You're right. There aren't two sides to every issue, there are two thousand. Its obvious that your narrow view of politics doesn't allow for the possiblity that rational thought can yield opinions different than yours. You are more willing to assume that those different views are the result of some shadowy conspiracy of brainwashers and puppeteers. The whole "wake up" schtick is a tired rhetoric.
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Bush is wrong about nearly everything.
He's been in power for 4 years and has ruined your economy, made the world hate you, made you more vulnerable to terrorists, you or any other sheep can't name a single God damn thing he's done right,
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Bush ruined the economy? Do you even understand why economies go up and down? Here are a few reasons for the recent decline in the US economy:
1. The stock market was severly over inflated during the dot-com bubble and related "irrational exuberance".
2. Decreases in communications/shipping costs have made offshoring more cost effective.
3. Rising commody prices in part due to China's booming economy
4. Various accounting scandals shook invester confidence
As for being unable to name a single thing he's done right, I can name two:
1. Invaded Afghanistan
2. Invaded Iraq
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Originally posted by Rich
yet you're sitting there BITCHING ABOUT A FUCKING STUPID CANCER METAPHOR.
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I only keep bringing it up because you keep dodging it. If you're so "enlightened" and the answer is so "obvious" why not just answer the question? The fact that you haven't would seem to imply that you can't.
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That's how I know you're brainwashed.
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Not at all. You've just been brainwashed to think that way.
