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hounddog · 04-08-2001, 03:25 PM

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What I would say is that most people believe whatever they need or want to believe in order to support their own internal sense of being.If it makes you feel better about yourself to believe in God,Ghosts,or the boogie monster then that is what you will believe in,and you will believe it without proof.I personally have never seen any physical evidence of any of those things therefore I cannot say I believe that they exist.That is the essential difference between science and religon.Science requires proof, religon does not require proof,only faith.

There is a mountain of evidence to prove that men really walked on the moon,it is not a matter of faith.For example,it was broadcast live around the world, and the radio transmission was monitored by practically every country on the planet.Given that radio waves in a vacume propogate at the speed of light then it is possible to use the transmission delay and trajectory of a radio wave to locate the actual location of the source of the transmission from the reciever, sort of the same way radar works.If every technologicaly developed nation in the world is monitoring the same radio transmission, and that transmission is coming from a garage in Burbank, don't you think one of them would have pointed it out, this all took place during the heart of the cold war.

As far as not being able to prove that ghosts, goblins, and so forth don't exist you are exactly correct,I cannot.But any elementary text in logic will tell you that it is manifestly impossible to prove the negative.If you believe in such things and you want to prove that they do exist it is incumbant upon you to offer the evidence that they do.

What I really think about religon is that it is the language of the unconsious human mind, and that through it,symbolicaly, we reveal ourselves both to one another, and to our own selves.My own sense of things like belief in UFO's or ghosts and such is that it is pretty much the same,just a less universal form of the human unconsious mind speaking it's piece.

I spent 12 years in industry, 6 of them working for defense contractors and I can tell you with unambiguous certainty, people do falsify data,fudge numbers,fake photographs,and that limited conspiracies do exist.When it happens though it is usually more like 4 people in a lab, or some small isolated group of people operating without approval.It doesn't ever really happen when large numbers of people are involved because it is to difficult to keep them all in line, not to mention keep everything secret.Bear in mind that the U.S. government actually consists of a wide and diverse group of people with competing political interests. You know,checks and balances.

04-08-2001, 03:25 PM
hounddog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 25	X-Rated What I would say is that most people believe whatever they need or want to believe in order to support their own internal sense of being.If it makes you feel better about yourself to believe in God,Ghosts,or the boogie monster then that is what you will believe in,and you will believe it without proof.I personally have never seen any physical evidence of any of those things therefore I cannot say I believe that they exist.That is the essential difference between science and religon.Science requires proof, religon does not require proof,only faith. There is a mountain of evidence to prove that men really walked on the moon,it is not a matter of faith.For example,it was broadcast live around the world, and the radio transmission was monitored by practically every country on the planet.Given that radio waves in a vacume propogate at the speed of light then it is possible to use the transmission delay and trajectory of a radio wave to locate the actual location of the source of the transmission from the reciever, sort of the same way radar works.If every technologicaly developed nation in the world is monitoring the same radio transmission, and that transmission is coming from a garage in Burbank, don't you think one of them would have pointed it out, this all took place during the heart of the cold war. As far as not being able to prove that ghosts, goblins, and so forth don't exist you are exactly correct,I cannot.But any elementary text in logic will tell you that it is manifestly impossible to prove the negative.If you believe in such things and you want to prove that they do exist it is incumbant upon you to offer the evidence that they do. What I really think about religon is that it is the language of the unconsious human mind, and that through it,symbolicaly, we reveal ourselves both to one another, and to our own selves.My own sense of things like belief in UFO's or ghosts and such is that it is pretty much the same,just a less universal form of the human unconsious mind speaking it's piece. I spent 12 years in industry, 6 of them working for defense contractors and I can tell you with unambiguous certainty, people do falsify data,fudge numbers,fake photographs,and that limited conspiracies do exist.When it happens though it is usually more like 4 people in a lab, or some small isolated group of people operating without approval.It doesn't ever really happen when large numbers of people are involved because it is to difficult to keep them all in line, not to mention keep everything secret.Bear in mind that the U.S. government actually consists of a wide and diverse group of people with competing political interests. You know,checks and balances.