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wyldblyss · 02-18-2004, 03:32 AM

Well aren't those numbers awesome. Too bad they are way off. Now lets get started.

Time: 10 dogs will take up most of your time, they need attention, exercise and grooming. Yes, all dogs need to be kept clean, nails trimmed etc. Dogs being bred should be trained, that takes time and money. Also, there is basic clean up of dog shit etc....and man, with 10 dogs you are talking a whole lot of shit....when puppies arrive....you will have shit and piss coming out of your ears.

Vet Costs: We have regular shots, regular checkups, then there are health checks for every breeding female/male to make sure they are free of the problems associated with that particular breed (hips, knees, eyes etc.). Expensive and if they don't pass you can't breed them and then you are stuck with the dog or have to find a home for it. If the dog needs a C-section then that can cost anywhere from 1,000 on up. You will find quotes much lower than this, but wait until you get to the vets, the price skyrockets from 400 bucks up to a grand or more with all the ad-ons. In my area, they also charge $60 bucks PER puppy for "assisted delivery". If the puppies at birth need attention, that adds to the price. Then you have your run of the mill vet expenses, mine always end up at the vets for some reason or another during the year. Don't forget dental care and cleanings by the vet and the cost to get females no longer being bred, or because of health unable to be bred fixed. Several hundred there.

Food: Breeders should be fed nothing but the highest quality of food, 10 dogs could cost you 800 or more per month to feed them...if you give them high quality treats like greenies, then that can put a nice dent in your budget (greenies can run a buck a piece)

If you work outside the home you will need about a month off for each delivery, two weeks before due date until 2 weeks after birth. You have to be there day and night in case there are complications with birth, or one of the puppies running into problems.

Cost of ads etc. to sell the pups, plus the time to screen prospective people ads greatly to your time expenditure. Also, if you can't sell a pup or two or 5 what are you going to do with them?

Breeders are a TIGHT circle and don't even think about putting them up for sale on the Internet unless your dogs have champion bloodlines, you have a totally amazing setup etc. because they will hound and harass you like no tomorrow...because they will call you a puppy-miller.

Females should be at least 2 years old, if not 3 before you breed them, so you will have all these dogs around for a few years before you get any puppies. Females can NOT breed every heat. It is extremely hard on them physically and the number and quality of dogs will go down each litter. Respected breeders will breed their dogs every second heat, some every third. If you breed them and they don't "take" then you have to wait another 6 months until they go in heat again. If you need studs, then that is an additional expense....so is trying to find a stud that has the background you need. Shipping your dog to the stud, or having the stud flown in etc. is more money.

Then there is the ongoing problem of what you do when the females can't breed any longer. You have to get them fixed and find them a home. Rehoming an older dog is not easy and you would "owe" that dog a good home, so you can't exactly drop her off at a shelter.

On top of all of that is finding the "right" dogs. You buy bargain basement and that is the quality of dogs you will get. The better the bloodline the bigger the price and if you think you can march up to a breeder with dollars in hand and expect them to give you a puppy for breeding you are mistaken. The VAST MAJORITY of high quality dog with backgrounds good enough for breeding are sold on a spay/neuter contract. This means you can NOT breed them. If you think you can just buy the dog and breed it anyway, forget it, dogs sold on this type of contract are registered with that clause meaning NO offspring can be registered. Unregistered dogs do not bring in that much money. Unregistered and people think it isn't purebred. Finding a breeder to give someone with no experience a puppy for breeding would be very difficult....and once they found out you are getting them in large numbers.....then your chances go down.

Oh, and don't forget the good old city ordinances. You may have to move. Most cities will not allow you to have 10 dogs at your home, so you may have to buy a kennel outside of the city. This also requires kennel licences, breeders licence, inspections etc.

We don't even want to get into neighbors complaining about the barking of 10 dogs etc. Breeding sounds like an instant money maker..it is not...it is expensive, with no guarantees and requires a ton of time, effort, patience and a thick skin. It isn't easy watching a dog give birth to still-born puppies etc. or a puppy with medical problems. The "sick" dogs will be your responsibility forever. The city/county would never allow you to just dump them off for them to take care of every time one isn't fit to be sold.

02-18-2004, 03:32 AM
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	Well aren't those numbers awesome. Too bad they are way off. Now lets get started. Time: 10 dogs will take up most of your time, they need attention, exercise and grooming. Yes, all dogs need to be kept clean, nails trimmed etc. Dogs being bred should be trained, that takes time and money. Also, there is basic clean up of dog shit etc....and man, with 10 dogs you are talking a whole lot of shit....when puppies arrive....you will have shit and piss coming out of your ears. Vet Costs: We have regular shots, regular checkups, then there are health checks for every breeding female/male to make sure they are free of the problems associated with that particular breed (hips, knees, eyes etc.). Expensive and if they don't pass you can't breed them and then you are stuck with the dog or have to find a home for it. If the dog needs a C-section then that can cost anywhere from 1,000 on up. You will find quotes much lower than this, but wait until you get to the vets, the price skyrockets from 400 bucks up to a grand or more with all the ad-ons. In my area, they also charge $60 bucks PER puppy for "assisted delivery". If the puppies at birth need attention, that adds to the price. Then you have your run of the mill vet expenses, mine always end up at the vets for some reason or another during the year. Don't forget dental care and cleanings by the vet and the cost to get females no longer being bred, or because of health unable to be bred fixed. Several hundred there. Food: Breeders should be fed nothing but the highest quality of food, 10 dogs could cost you 800 or more per month to feed them...if you give them high quality treats like greenies, then that can put a nice dent in your budget (greenies can run a buck a piece) If you work outside the home you will need about a month off for each delivery, two weeks before due date until 2 weeks after birth. You have to be there day and night in case there are complications with birth, or one of the puppies running into problems. Cost of ads etc. to sell the pups, plus the time to screen prospective people ads greatly to your time expenditure. Also, if you can't sell a pup or two or 5 what are you going to do with them? Breeders are a TIGHT circle and don't even think about putting them up for sale on the Internet unless your dogs have champion bloodlines, you have a totally amazing setup etc. because they will hound and harass you like no tomorrow...because they will call you a puppy-miller. Females should be at least 2 years old, if not 3 before you breed them, so you will have all these dogs around for a few years before you get any puppies. Females can NOT breed every heat. It is extremely hard on them physically and the number and quality of dogs will go down each litter. Respected breeders will breed their dogs every second heat, some every third. If you breed them and they don't "take" then you have to wait another 6 months until they go in heat again. If you need studs, then that is an additional expense....so is trying to find a stud that has the background you need. Shipping your dog to the stud, or having the stud flown in etc. is more money. Then there is the ongoing problem of what you do when the females can't breed any longer. You have to get them fixed and find them a home. Rehoming an older dog is not easy and you would "owe" that dog a good home, so you can't exactly drop her off at a shelter. On top of all of that is finding the "right" dogs. You buy bargain basement and that is the quality of dogs you will get. The better the bloodline the bigger the price and if you think you can march up to a breeder with dollars in hand and expect them to give you a puppy for breeding you are mistaken. The VAST MAJORITY of high quality dog with backgrounds good enough for breeding are sold on a spay/neuter contract. This means you can NOT breed them. If you think you can just buy the dog and breed it anyway, forget it, dogs sold on this type of contract are registered with that clause meaning NO offspring can be registered. Unregistered dogs do not bring in that much money. Unregistered and people think it isn't purebred. Finding a breeder to give someone with no experience a puppy for breeding would be very difficult....and once they found out you are getting them in large numbers.....then your chances go down. Oh, and don't forget the good old city ordinances. You may have to move. Most cities will not allow you to have 10 dogs at your home, so you may have to buy a kennel outside of the city. This also requires kennel licences, breeders licence, inspections etc. We don't even want to get into neighbors complaining about the barking of 10 dogs etc. Breeding sounds like an instant money maker..it is not...it is expensive, with no guarantees and requires a ton of time, effort, patience and a thick skin. It isn't easy watching a dog give birth to still-born puppies etc. or a puppy with medical problems. The "sick" dogs will be your responsibility forever. The city/county would never allow you to just dump them off for them to take care of every time one isn't fit to be sold. Last edited by wyldblyss; 02-18-2004 at 03:34 AM..