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		| Originally posted by bhutocracy the single largest contributing factor to the "cheapness" of the online porn industry, is that almost more than any other it's almost a wholely internet based business.
 
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 1. Unlike in mainstream where you compete with other companies local to your area, online an American competes with a Romanian for the same job even though the romanian only needs a tenth of the money the american does to acheieve the same real world level of benefit.
 
 2. You are only as professional as your website, and 19 year old college kids designing part time as well as warez kiddies can design for beer money and compete at a much greater level than they could if they had to walk into toyota's headquarters and do a presentation on the benefits of using their company (oops mother's basement).
 
 Mainstream companies DO NOT pay "stupid money" to get design work done they pay professionals good money to take good care of their business, and that means employing producers, project managers, creative directors, account managers, etc, etc to ensure that large projects that have hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars resting on them are done to a standard that the single or one + outsourcing majority of porn designers couldn't handle even if they wanted to.
 
 these aren't 3 day paysites or 3 hour logos. These are 3 month websites and 3 month logos, which have passed several tiers of client management, and endless focus groups to get it right.
 Not some loner bashing out a logo in photoshop with a few effects on it to go on a paysite that will be redesigned in 12 months. Logos don't mean as much in porn anyways. We don't spend milions advertising logos on tv. We spend a few grand for paid spots on a tgp to get them where we want them.
 
 Not only that but when businesses pay that much there are contracts entered which bind them to design companies both ensuring payments AND fiscally repremanding the design company if they are late.
 Not some net kid on the other side of the world that can't be contacted on ICQ when you need to or who doesn't get paid because a dodgy porn client fucks him over.
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 Well said. 
Designing a corporate logo (or label) is not an easy task. More time is spent in research, legal approval & test markets than the actual creative time and most design companies take 50 percent upfront and 50 percent upon completion so charging a higher rate is the norm while going through the corporate maze. 
