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Originally posted by tony404
I have to tell you this "mind your own business "thing is what got us 1% cb ratio's. When someone is scamming customers, (Visa and Mastercards customers ) it is very short sighted if you think its only their problem or business. Those actions effect our business, if one too many scams or fucked up cross sells cause Visa to go to .5 % , its not only the webmaster who did it's problem, no its my problem at that point. If you plan to be in this business for more than 6 months it is your business anything that is not correct because cc companies will come down on us all.
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Some would blame the webmasters, as you have done, others look at all parties who make a situation worse. I could go on for 100+ pages on this issue, and have previously.
Everyone assumes the Paris site is a scam, have you bought a membership and did not receive the movie as promised? I do not know, as I have not joined the site, but over the years I have developed the ability not to follow the pack nor crucify people unjustly. Especially on issues, that other people feel the need to sensationalize.
To further your comments, which I feel are one sided. What role do/did the 3rd party processors play in the 'destruction' you assert? Who developed cross-sales which you mention as a destructive force (I disagree with you as the concept is just, the implementation issues could be argued)? Who originally did not send out subscription information via e-mail? Who sold databases of information, including credit card numbers which were then 're-processed'? What processor(s) bent over backwards to get processing for KP? A quote un-quote scammer or webmaster with fraudulent intent can not exist without processing. In life the processors could be deemed 'enablers'.
Lastly, your post furthers the mindset that everyone is dirty except for the person vocalizing. The 1% issue is due to many, many issues none of which can be pinned on one person, one company, nor one certain time frame. This industry has come along way since 1996 and this is merely one of the things that has evolved over the last 8 years. Name one other industry that does not receive 'regulatory' attention, whether by state government, federal government, industry groups, or the buying public. Even VISA realizes there are bad apples, thus everyone seals their own fate, which at this point I can count the people on one hand that have been shut down.
I am not condoning any supposed schemes, or anything that a reasonable person would deem has truly hurt this industy. The fact remains that the judgemental attitude and divisive tactics being used are pointless.