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12clicks, your style of quoting is rather annoying to quote. Nonetheless, I'll reply.
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true but at least you know I'm reading ALL of your post.
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Nature is pretty much irrelevant in terms of values. Natural has nothing to do with valuable or right. If it did, eating with a fork would be wrong, for instance.
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ahh, but if nature is irrelevant to you, your values are irrelevent to others. More so considering your values conflict with those of society (as stated in earlier posts in this thread) my argument for nature has a basis, your argument for YOUR brand of values has only you.
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There's nothing right with it either.
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says you. of course, backing it up with proof will be impossible.
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However, if it gets in the way of a fulfilling life, there IS something very wrong with it.
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but you see, it doesn't! it often gets in the way of the unfulfilled life of the under achiever but I'm not concerned about that.
it does not get in the way of the alfa wolf or his family.
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So you're saying social pressure doesn't exist?
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the pressure to succeed always exists. this is not a social pressure. you're wrong.
If you lived alone in the world there would be no society to pressure you but you would still be pressured to succeed (survive)
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In that case, are you the magical man from happy land who lives in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane?
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does this help your argument?
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So, are you saying that the majority of people do not consider working hard, ambition, discipline, perseverence good?
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Are you saying these are the things you find wrong with society?
good luck.
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Or are you saying that those things are not linked to success?
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of course they are, do you disparrage them because you want a utopia where people will give you what you refuse to work for?
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So you refuse to believe that children accept people as rolemodels because they see them 24/7 on tv, billboards, hear them on the radio, get their figurines with the happy meals at McDonalds, encounter large articles about them in every single children's or teen magazine in existence, but instead choose their role models by random?
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Not at all. Do you not have children or have you just done a poor job raising them? I shape my children's environment and they choose the role models my environment shapes them to choose.
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Once again, are you the magical man from happy land living on Lollipop Lane?
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once again, having no logic, you fall back on lollipops.
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I said nothing about "should". As for unnecessary... if you wouldn't die without something, it by definition is unnecessary for life.
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only a fool stops producing when he reaches only what is necessary.
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Did you just admit that children with rich parents get a head start to succeeding? I think you just contradicted half the posts you made on this board
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A head start is far different then your clap trap about a silver spoon. The aim of every parent is to give their children a head start.
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As for your list... those things don't require you to be rich. Really, they don't. Loving parents, a good upbringing, friends, libraries, scholarships and perseverence go a long way.
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so be poor, no one is stopping you. It's your wish to stop people from being rich thats assinine.
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As for communism failing for a reason... indeed it did. The reason however isn't that you need to be rich to lead a happy life.
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"rich" is a product of success. its ok that you have no desire to succeed, just don't expect to be applauded for it.