12clicks, your style of quoting is rather annoying to quote. Nonetheless, I'll reply.
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Nature demands the best rise to the top. its not for everyone.
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Nature is pretty much irrelevant in terms of values. Natural has nothing to do with valuable or right. If it did, eating with a fork would be wrong, for instance.
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stop making things up. when asked, most kids do NOT want to be popstarts, actors, or models.
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Because most realize that their chances of becoming one are virtually non-existent. Ask a kid if he or she would want to become one, and you'll see that most will answer yes. ()
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there's nothing wrong with wanting to be the alpha wolf.
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There's nothing right with it either.
However, if it gets in the way of a fulfilling life, there IS something very wrong with it.
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This is a nice liberal idea but its false.
Society (the group I belong to) has decided as a whole what we value and what we don't. We value success. If you don't, no one is keeping you from opting out.
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So you're saying social pressure doesn't exist? In that case, are you the magical man from happy land who lives in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane?
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No, wrong again. *moral* and *success* are not linked except by society's losers in their attempt to explain why success is bad.
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So, are you saying that the majority of people do not consider working hard, ambition, discipline, perseverence good? Or are you saying that those things are not linked to success?
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says you.
when you're on the outside looking in, you can only guess as to why we accept people as role models.
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So you refuse to believe that children accept people as rolemodels because they see them 24/7 on tv, billboards, hear them on the radio, get their figurines with the happy meals at McDonalds, encounter large articles about them in every single children's or teen magazine in existence, but instead choose their role models by random? Once again, are you the magical man from happy land living on Lollipop Lane?
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I love liberals. always telling others how much they should have and what is unnecessary.
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I said nothing about "should". As for unnecessary... if you wouldn't die without something, it by definition is unnecessary for life.
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enjoyment of life, opportunities to learn, to travel, to give your children a head start to succeeding themselves, good schools for them, the list goes on and on.
communism failed for a reason.
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Did you just admit that children with rich parents get a head start to succeeding? I think you just contradicted half the posts you made on this board
As for your list... those things don't require you to be rich. Really, they don't. Loving parents, a good upbringing, friends, libraries, scholarships and perseverence go a long way.
As for communism failing for a reason... indeed it did. The reason however isn't that you need to be rich to lead a happy life.