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JFPdude · 10-25-2003, 09:58 AM

A group of attorneys come to you and threaten to sue you. So you call your attorney who calls their attorneys and bam they strike a deal. This is before there is any prior art found.

How does something like this happen? Easy the owner of (big program here) says to his lawyer I have to much to do I pay you to make things like this go away.

Acacia didn't want to get good deals for the first few companies that fell. They only wanted names we as webmasters would recognize so we would scramble and in their eyes settle. They have succeeded. Look at the boards. Wether they got the money out of the people that have settled or not they met their goals.

Now everybody's yelling at these big companies because they did settle. Is this right? I think so but I am but a small fish in a big sea. But the real deal here isn't that they settled. The real problem is now there are lists out there of webmasters with personal info. Which brings me to the topic I really wanted to put my thoughts on.

How many of us have seen email lists for sale?

How many posts are there about buying mailing lists of ibill's customers among others?

Do I really think that Matrix Content, CE Cash, Platinum Bucks, or any other program sold or gave up our information to Acacia? No way. Sure they took a sweetheart deal from Acacia to make the Acacia problem go away for them. And unfortunately now that there are inuendo's about stolen lists flying around I'm sure they in hindsight would rethink signing those deals now. But I don't for one minute think they sold us out. There are other very possible explainations to all of this.

1.) One of their employees could have stolen the list and seen an opportunity to make some side cash. (This is not unheard of)

2.) The lists were stolen by hackers. Again look at how many stolen lists are flying around these message boards. (This is not unheard of)

3.) Internext was only in August during the time that Acacia was building up steam. Could they have rented one of AVN's scanners to get our information under the guise of another company? (This is not unheard of)

Before we go destroying the good name of content providers or sponsors who sold out to Acacia, because of it being an easy way out of another problem thrown at the owner of the company, keep in mind they and only they know the reasons they sold out and signed.

But should we automatically stop using their programs? Possibly.

But what would be my reasons for stopping my business dealings with them?

Well if it was their lists were stolen then how safe is my information with them?

This issue won't be going away none to soon. But I hope I brought up some points to think about. I will say this though I am an affiliate and a customer of all the programs listed, and I have yet to get my Acacia package along with other people I do business with.

So before we go accusing good programs of such dirty deeds please make sure we have all the facts straight before we turn into the old wild west lynch mobs again and just hang people for bad information.

By the way I purposely waited till the mail was delivered to my house today before I posted this.

10-25-2003, 09:58 AM
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	Consider this on Acacia A group of attorneys come to you and threaten to sue you. So you call your attorney who calls their attorneys and bam they strike a deal. This is before there is any prior art found. How does something like this happen? Easy the owner of (big program here) says to his lawyer I have to much to do I pay you to make things like this go away. Acacia didn't want to get good deals for the first few companies that fell. They only wanted names we as webmasters would recognize so we would scramble and in their eyes settle. They have succeeded. Look at the boards. Wether they got the money out of the people that have settled or not they met their goals. Now everybody's yelling at these big companies because they did settle. Is this right? I think so but I am but a small fish in a big sea. But the real deal here isn't that they settled. The real problem is now there are lists out there of webmasters with personal info. Which brings me to the topic I really wanted to put my thoughts on. How many of us have seen email lists for sale? How many posts are there about buying mailing lists of ibill's customers among others? Do I really think that Matrix Content, CE Cash, Platinum Bucks, or any other program sold or gave up our information to Acacia? No way. Sure they took a sweetheart deal from Acacia to make the Acacia problem go away for them. And unfortunately now that there are inuendo's about stolen lists flying around I'm sure they in hindsight would rethink signing those deals now. But I don't for one minute think they sold us out. There are other very possible explainations to all of this. 1.) One of their employees could have stolen the list and seen an opportunity to make some side cash. (This is not unheard of) 2.) The lists were stolen by hackers. Again look at how many stolen lists are flying around these message boards. (This is not unheard of) 3.) Internext was only in August during the time that Acacia was building up steam. Could they have rented one of AVN's scanners to get our information under the guise of another company? (This is not unheard of) Before we go destroying the good name of content providers or sponsors who sold out to Acacia, because of it being an easy way out of another problem thrown at the owner of the company, keep in mind they and only they know the reasons they sold out and signed. But should we automatically stop using their programs? Possibly. But what would be my reasons for stopping my business dealings with them? Well if it was their lists were stolen then how safe is my information with them? This issue won't be going away none to soon. But I hope I brought up some points to think about. I will say this though I am an affiliate and a customer of all the programs listed, and I have yet to get my Acacia package along with other people I do business with. So before we go accusing good programs of such dirty deeds please make sure we have all the facts straight before we turn into the old wild west lynch mobs again and just hang people for bad information. By the way I purposely waited till the mail was delivered to my house today before I posted this.