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reasonableness · 10-24-2003, 11:44 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Choker

I have nothing against IMPA. I practically know nothing about them. How many people do?

If I am going to open my wallet up, it is going to be for my interest, not someone elses. I do not want to give money to help fight issues like the "cybersex" patent issue. I could care less about that. What I care about is this letter I got, and the fact that I have until the end of November to reply. ...[QUOTE]

Dear Choker and others,

Pardon the heavy words,

I am a student of history, and have experienced issues with the law.

I have sent a lot of traffic to Choker under the sellmetraffic.com program.

I have been involved with GFY for 2 years with various nicknames.

Benjamin Franklin said:

?We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately?

Our system of law in the United States is based upon Common Law, which relies upon precedents.

Precedent \Prec"e*dent\, n.

4. (Law) A judicial decision which serves as a rule for
future determinations in similar or analogous cases; an
authority to be followed in courts of justice; forms of
proceeding to be followed in similar cases. --Wharton.

It is foolish, contrary to my earlier suggestions, to fraction and balkanize this issue.

Everyone using video, audio, or linking to said content on the Internet should band together to fight this.

So far, it appears Acacia is primarily attacking the Porn people as they believe us to be easy prey.

The coward dogs that have signed already have proven to be easy prey. To quote Franklin again:

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

The traitorous fools who have signed have sacrificed their industry's well being for their own short term benefit. Their perceived Security by paying this thing I think is extortion, is a fake form of security that sacrifices the ESSENTIAL LIBERTY of A. Being on the Internet and B. Using Video and Audio and even GASP!!!! C. linking to Video and Audio.

Choker and others -- you MUST understand that this legal group of the "11" are the Main Line of Resistance against Acacia.

They have the "real" attorneys. They have the "real" money. They have the real legal status (read http://www.homegrownvideo.com/test/legal.zip).

Your interests may not align exactly with those of the 11, but they align as closely as England, France, and US interests aligned in World War II - a common enemy bent on hurting the industry, and crushing and destroying those who do not succumb to the threats.

Repeated Refrain - do not dilute efforts. Focus efforts.

Now, that said, there are several problems with just blindly giving money to the Defense group of 11.

1. Acacia is still free to go sue anyone they want, outside this 11. Giving money to them does not necessarily give you legal assistance.

2. The group of 11 predict it will take 2-3 Million dollars to beat Acacia - that's a lot of money. But, think about it, good attorneys cost $150-300/hour. Figure full time for a month, that's 160 hours at $225 = $36,000 per month for each person. Figure a team of paralegals, 2 attornies, and 60 hour work weeks, 2 year case, you're talking a lot of money.

Politics, in which unfortunately we as brothers are embroiled, calls for compromise.

I plaintively cry for all people to actively support the defense group as the primary bulkhead driving to defeat Acacia.

If nay WHEN! they do - everyone else can cheaply and efficiently rely upon that court decision, simply and quickly refuting Acacia's self apparently obscene claims.

It is still unclear to me exactly HOW folks can contribute to this defense and retain direct benfit.

But this isn't the most important thing!!!! You will get derivative benefit from their advancement. That is the primary benefit!

This country has a serious fucking problem w/ litigious trial attornies - they can sue anybody for anything.

Find a way to identify your own interests, and find a way to get your own interests intermingled with those of the 11 Defense.

Perhaps there is indeed a 3rd party "foundation" for or folks that link to content - but it exists only to collect money and send it to this legal defense group

BUT!!!

it works out a deal w/ the defense group and the attornies for joint defense.

Think of this as a war analogy:

ACACIA is evil King of England

Defense Group of 11 is US

We are France. (ewww this analogy is weak, sorry). We want to hurt ACACIA and so we will make an alliance with Defense Group of 11 and send money to help.

Contemplate America's Lend-Lease program of World War II.

Supporting the Afghanis against Russia.

Orchestrating political military goals through proxie governments...

I am long winded, if I had more time I'd have written a shorter letter.

Do not dilute and balkanize efforts.

Contribute to the most efficient and effective force against ACACIA which seems to be this group of 11. Find a way to make them exchange our support for their support (TREATY).

Continue on Choker, lead us into victory against Acacia, but do so in a logical, contributory manner, please.

10-24-2003, 11:44 PM
reasonableness Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 22	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Choker I have nothing against IMPA. I practically know nothing about them. How many people do? If I am going to open my wallet up, it is going to be for my interest, not someone elses. I do not want to give money to help fight issues like the "cybersex" patent issue. I could care less about that. What I care about is this letter I got, and the fact that I have until the end of November to reply. ...[QUOTE] Dear Choker and others, Pardon the heavy words, I am a student of history, and have experienced issues with the law. I have sent a lot of traffic to Choker under the sellmetraffic.com program. I have been involved with GFY for 2 years with various nicknames. Benjamin Franklin said: ?We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately? Our system of law in the United States is based upon Common Law, which relies upon precedents. Precedent \Prec"e*dent\, n. 4. (Law) A judicial decision which serves as a rule for future determinations in similar or analogous cases; an authority to be followed in courts of justice; forms of proceeding to be followed in similar cases. --Wharton. It is foolish, contrary to my earlier suggestions, to fraction and balkanize this issue. Everyone using video, audio, or linking to said content on the Internet should band together to fight this. So far, it appears Acacia is primarily attacking the Porn people as they believe us to be easy prey. The coward dogs that have signed already have proven to be easy prey. To quote Franklin again: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" The traitorous fools who have signed have sacrificed their industry's well being for their own short term benefit. Their perceived Security by paying this thing I think is extortion, is a fake form of security that sacrifices the ESSENTIAL LIBERTY of A. Being on the Internet and B. Using Video and Audio and even GASP!!!! C. linking to Video and Audio. Choker and others -- you MUST understand that this legal group of the "11" are the Main Line of Resistance against Acacia. They have the "real" attorneys. They have the "real" money. They have the real legal status (read http://www.homegrownvideo.com/test/legal.zip). Your interests may not align exactly with those of the 11, but they align as closely as England, France, and US interests aligned in World War II - a common enemy bent on hurting the industry, and crushing and destroying those who do not succumb to the threats. Repeated Refrain - do not dilute efforts. Focus efforts. Now, that said, there are several problems with just blindly giving money to the Defense group of 11. 1. Acacia is still free to go sue anyone they want, outside this 11. Giving money to them does not necessarily give you legal assistance. 2. The group of 11 predict it will take 2-3 Million dollars to beat Acacia - that's a lot of money. But, think about it, good attorneys cost $150-300/hour. Figure full time for a month, that's 160 hours at $225 = $36,000 per month for each person. Figure a team of paralegals, 2 attornies, and 60 hour work weeks, 2 year case, you're talking a lot of money. Politics, in which unfortunately we as brothers are embroiled, calls for compromise. I plaintively cry for all people to actively support the defense group as the primary bulkhead driving to defeat Acacia. If nay WHEN! they do - everyone else can cheaply and efficiently rely upon that court decision, simply and quickly refuting Acacia's self apparently obscene claims. It is still unclear to me exactly HOW folks can contribute to this defense and retain direct benfit. But this isn't the most important thing!!!! You will get derivative benefit from their advancement. That is the primary benefit! This country has a serious fucking problem w/ litigious trial attornies - they can sue anybody for anything. Find a way to identify your own interests, and find a way to get your own interests intermingled with those of the 11 Defense. Perhaps there is indeed a 3rd party "foundation" for or folks that link to content - but it exists only to collect money and send it to this legal defense group BUT!!! it works out a deal w/ the defense group and the attornies for joint defense. Think of this as a war analogy: ACACIA is evil King of England Defense Group of 11 is US We are France. (ewww this analogy is weak, sorry). We want to hurt ACACIA and so we will make an alliance with Defense Group of 11 and send money to help. Contemplate America's Lend-Lease program of World War II. Supporting the Afghanis against Russia. Orchestrating political military goals through proxie governments... I am long winded, if I had more time I'd have written a shorter letter. Do not dilute and balkanize efforts. Contribute to the most efficient and effective force against ACACIA which seems to be this group of 11. Find a way to make them exchange our support for their support (TREATY). Continue on Choker, lead us into victory against Acacia, but do so in a logical, contributory manner, please.