Originally Posted by mopek1

I like you Porn Nerd and am not trying to get into anything with you personally. But most of the arguments here on gfy (and on other boards/media) are political, even if they don't seem to be.

It's individualism vs collectivism. Or Freedom vs Marxism, played out in these threads.

Most of the statements you (and the people that support your position) made above are Marxist philosophy statements. Conformism, group, appealing to authority etc...




People use that a lot to end an argument because they have no more valid points and don't want to hear any. The left does that a lot lately on social media (the right is just as bad).




Rebel = individualism, someone trying to wiggle free from the tyranny that can be authority. Look at any Star Wars movie/series. Yes rebels can be angry teenagers but even they are rebelling for good reason, to learn to push away from authority and form their own identity. Of course rebelling can be done improperly.



Be part of a "system" and conform. Very collectivist way of thinking. No questions, no analyzing, just submit.



"System" again. And by the way. There was a system already that the Op was okay with. Then it suddenly changed (companies requiring documents they never have before). So by your definition, the system is really whatever authority wants it to be, whenever they want it to be. Do what they say when they say it. That's tyranny and I'm not good with that at all.



Again, OP isn't trying to change the system. He accepted the system and played by the rules. The system changed on him first.

If you let government (left or right) take an inch, and then another, and then another, before you know it your rights are gone. We are far from that yet but the system is getting bigger and people are noticing and not happy with the direction it's taking.

For FS you can't bring nail clippers on airplanes anymore because some right-wing government changed the system waaay too much after 9/11. They could have made a few small changes but instead went all out, grabbing power in many more ways than necessary, including surveillance.

I like the middle road. Some basic rules, taxes and laws etc... but what's happening more and more is concerning.

The 2 cultures in the USA are splitting up. Some states will be freedom (less government) oriented and some will be more Marxist/Collectivist oriented.

Almost all of our arguments online come from that culture war.