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Originally Posted by k0nr4d
We don't have a thousand planes, we have a war going on over our border and we simply can't be without these planes - thus if the US wanted us to give the planes we need SOMETHING to defend ourselves with.
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A military alliance with 30 armies and 3 nuclear arsenals isn't enough to deter Russia, but two dozen rusty Soviet planes are?
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Then came the proposal that we are ready to give these migs to the US, for free, immediately and that we are immediately ready to BUY used surplus F16s from the US, and suddenly the US does a 180 saying the MIGs should not be provided to UA.
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No, the US simply rejected a new plan that Poland announced without warning.
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So in a nutshell, they tried to maneuver us into a position where we would be the aggressors against Russia and then NATO would tell us to go fuck ourselves, since we got ourselves involved they won't defend us.
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That is total nonsense.
The US plan, AIUI, was Ukrainian pilots in Poland would fly the Migs to Ukraine, and Poland would get some F-16s.
The Polish government, perhaps hoping the whole idea would fall apart without them being blamed by Ukraine, then announced a different plan that the US, knowing nothing about it, had no option but to reject.