Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham
One doesn't need to read books to know Marx, Engels, Lenin and all extreme socialists ideals failed. Because they missed out on human nature. Some people don;t want to be equal with their neighbours, some want to be better and some don't care enough to bother. Marx, Engels, Lenin catered for the latter.
|
ah - don´thave to read it ?
you get the result from your right wing sources I assume and THEY tell you what you have to think about it.
Quote:
|
No extreme socialists has improved the lives of the people or progressed.
|
THAT´s exactly what i said !
but the point is that in a world where money exists it will not be different.
Quote:
|
So lets go back to the basics of your idea. Who will own the machines that work for all society that will all be elite. Until you answer this we will know you're a delusional dreamer.
|
very easy - the people owns the machines. they are a good that does not have an individual owner.
at the end they are producing themself and make them even better without human
hands.
the problem of our civilization is that every thing you can get have to be made from someone. and this individual have to be paid for it. as more he gets paid as more he can afford but it also means that less people can afford the product when he gets paid a lot.
this is what makes the whole thing unfair forever.
there was a time when people had slaves and the prosperity from the slave owners went up. but
1. this is inhuman and have nothing to do with my idea
2. here again are only a few people owning the slaves.
in my vision everyone is owner of this "slaves" and they are working for everyone.
that makes money needless.
and yes - there are still some aspects that are limited and can not be produced - like the villa at the sea - but in a far future everyone can have it because the reality will easy be replaced by virtuality. in a few years you will not even be able to see the difference of reality and virtuality.
look this is already nearly 3 years old - imagine where this technique will be in 100 years
you are right when you say that humans are not ready for that.
and THIS is my point. we only HAVE to make them ready in the next 100 years because in such a world we will not have this problems anymore that we are facing now.
all we have to do is to understand that things can be changed for EVERYBODY.
not only for a few people that think they are better than others.
i hope at least that you at least are used to read the "little prince" from Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
He said a very true sentence:
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.”