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Old 04-11-2019, 10:35 AM  
Paul Markham
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the problem is that many of you guys are blinded by paroles from people that are afraid from the economic power that a european union represents.
Is that economic power driving the Euro, GDP, economy, living standards for the better off countries of Europe. Or pre-occupied trying to drag the lesser nations up by giving them loads of money?

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sure that a lot of countries are afraid of the same or even more power from a united europe. and sure that those countries do all to destroy it.
and the best way to destroy it is to give you the wrong facts or only parts of the facts.
The better off countries.

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a europe without the EU will be a very poor europe - we would be slaves of the existing superpowers and possibly end up in a war against each other again.
especially because of people like trump, putin, edogan, kim and a few others who do not care or even ask allies, it is important to have a united europe that is first of all a strong economic power that canīt be overseen.
The next world war will be the end of the Earth. So no more scare stories.

It would be great if the EU were led by super intelligent elite who didn't make fools of themselves. The evidence points in the other direction. Politicians aren't the brightest the country has to offer. Today clever people go into business and steer clear of politics.

Antonio Tajani

Donald Tusk

Jean-Claude Juncker

Angela Merkel

Emmanuel Macron

This is the quality of our political elite the Thommy is convinced will lead us into a brave new world. Which one has achieved anything? Even in politics they fuck up. The list of mistakes they make is longer than their list of achievements. Driven by political ideals that limit them.

The only reason they're playing hard ball with the UK deal to leave the EU is to warn other countries not to have a referendum. Because that will signal their end. The deal on the table ties the UK to the EU with no get out clause, evidence they intent to rule Europe whether Europeans want it or not.
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