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Old 04-08-2019, 06:13 AM  
Paul Markham
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If you would know what the EU is and know the rules of the EU you would also know that
a country with a bad economy can not join til they have a solution.

the EU rules are very clear in that.
So how did they miss Greece? Do you see how bad the EU is at keeping to it's own rules? Also if all the economies are good, why are over half the EU net receivers of funds from the other countries? https://www.cer.eu/insights/eurozone...poor-countries

And why are these even on a list to join? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...ummary_t able

Do you really want to see an enlargement of the countrieswho take out more than they put in? BBC NEWS | Europe | Paying for the EU budget

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and if you would understand the dublin contract and the geneva convention you would also know that NOBODY is wanting ILLEGAL immigrants. and as soon as they are identified as illegal they get kicked out - even in Germany.
Againshit at keepingtothe rules. All the refugees who left |Turkey to go to States where they get more money are illegal migrants. People fleeing war stop when they reach a safe country. Then there are the 100,000s coming from Africa.



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again - read the dublin agreement that was signed by britain.
I do not want to talk about countries anymore who will be soon out from the EU because they refused to stand for what they have signed.
go with god but go.
Yes our leaders are fucking us up. We need direct access to people who will represent the people who elect them.



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this is an oxymoron - but you will also not understand that.
how can europe pusuit to rule europe ?

if a community agrees TOGETHER to do something it is not ruling.
you sound like a criminal who is complaining that it is not allowed to kill.
When that community is a tiny elite and not the people of the country. The results are fuck up.



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many natioanl laws can not be touched by the EU.
why do you think that german webmasters go to jail when they make a pornsite without the strict german AVS and a dutch webmaster is still free?

almost all taxes and social laws are a matter for the federal states.

most things you know as "influence of the EU" (like standards for cucumbers or bananas) where made under pressure from the agriculture of the individual countries to negotiate a price based on standards.

again: if you would take the time to read the lisbon contract and then be smart enough to understand it, then you would not even ask such stupid questions.

Your cry for the right that EU citizens have to decide each thing is a cry to make the donkey a gardener. what you want is the opposite of a government and the opposite of democracy. governments are elected to keep this work from the people that are not familiar with the complex issues.
if people like you would have the right to decide - this world would be in ashes already.

we have been shown by the brexit how little the ordinary citizens understand about the laws of the economy.
UK has voted out its own prosperity to the delight of the russians, who now have 2 big enemies dealing with so many problems that they have become incapable of action.
You still fail to give one example of something the EU has achieved that non-EU countries haven'tor can't


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and this is the real sad part of all that you guys do not even see how you got brainwashed.
Neither can you. You can't give reasons for the EU to rule Europe from the centre and if you think that's not the eventual aim, you're mistaken.

Individual rules will always apply, but they will be small things the major issues will all be under central control. https://www.ft.com/content/8fa3569c-...e-7aedca0a081a

You said a very interesting thing.

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governments are elected to keep this work from the people that are not familiar with the complex issues.
Do you really think central government is able to resolve issues that effect different countries, cultures and economies? As far apart as Greece and Germany or the UK and Bulgaria, etc?

Your problem is keeping the EU together. Many of it's citizens are so sick of it they vote for the only option dedicated to undoing it's hold. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36130006 No one is talking about doing away with the trade agreements, the cross border cooperation, visa free travel or any of the good things the EU has brought. They're simply scared of the way the centralist have taken hold.

Tell us why you are still in favour of losing your democratic rights to the centre? Do Germans see it as a way of running Europe? They've had two goes at that and look where those tries took us. You run the risk of being at the mercy of small countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...ummary_t able with those countries votes out weighing the stronger nations.
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