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Originally Posted by crucifissio
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Convince me of your point of view, i'll try to convince you of mine.
So,
Conquered people lose their lands. This has been the case since time forgotten. Poland, Czech, Ukraine, Russia, etc were all long ago inhabited by Slavic tribes. These tribes grew, turned into villages, turned into towns, turned into kingdoms. Kings conquered each other, bestowed land on nobles. Nobles bestowed land on others. Those kingdoms again got conquered, land was given to other people, rinse, repeat - all the way to WW2 where half of Ukraine used to be Poland and half of Poland used to be Germany.
So with this kept in mind:
- How far back do you go with claims to land? Should half of Asia & Europe turn back into the USSR? Should we give half of europe to Rome? Should we split it based on tribes from 2000 years ago?
- The UN made a resolution about the above called Right of Conquest. This is addressed in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest. South Africa is a member of the UN, therefor, it must be recognized that these are now "white lands" lest we fall into the issue above.
- By the same reasoning, if you ignore right of conquest and insist on it being black lands - then you must agree that there can't be any land reparations from WW2, since the area was originally slavic and germanic tribes.
- If Africa is "black lands", why can't Europe be "White Lands"? Why must europe be multicultural, but Africa - even that one country that has any significant number of white people - not be?
- If you say ok, give the land back to blacks - which blacks? There were hundreds of tribes fighting over those lands for millennia before the white man colonized it.
- It is not said that Africa would have been better off technologically, socially, etc. Even back in Roman times, European civilization was well ahead of Subsaharan africans (not talking about egypt etc - those are arabs). They brought alot of technology, farming, etc. There is no guarantee that it would have looked like that black panther movie had the whites not came in and "raped africa".
- How do you know it's the "right people" taking over RSA now?