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but even here there is a big change since YEARS.
how many amateurs you think have mydirtyhobby alone? 30.000 ?

ll of them are producing content and sell it FIRST where they get the most money.
this is legit and it was legit all the time.

that paulīs idea is wrong you can see on the fact that porn was MUCH MORE interesting when there have not been videos around.
people like thehun sold thousands of memberships each month to picture sites what did not have 1% of the quantity of the hun.

and if you remember that time same as i do - it was not possible to send crap to him.
only the great material had a chance to be listet.

but as i said: THAT was another time with fewer users but MUCH richer and fewer paysites and fewer affiliates.

the question is not how big the cake is - the question is how many mice want to eat it.

i am pretty sure that there still IS a possibility to sell memberships but i did not see a lot of membership sites what even KNOW what a postback is.

but the affilietes of today are mediabuyers not webmasters.
a webmaster is limited on the traffic he have - a media buyer is only limited on his budget.

and if you give them to choose between a possible livetime value of 150 dollar what they can MAYBE get within a few years and a 5 dollar DOI they will chose the DOI because of maths.

the maths is that you can get easier and faster reliable data as when you wait 4 or 5 years to see what you REALLY made at the end.

and also the webmasters what are selling traffic want to make the MOST from it.
and the most they can make with people who are working professional.
it is not hard to understand that a buyer who converts 1:50 on a product can pay more as one who know how to convert this product 1:100.

and as there are more and more professionals what are fighting for the traffic a webmaster who sells it can only win.

biz is not a social thing - it is profit only what makes the rules.



this is a question of the philosophy of a network.
most of then are using RTB and CPM and it is hard to make profit with this.

also the new google rules have changed here a lot (what i really appreciate for my part) because CPM is nothing else as to use clickbait banners and because the most advertisers are buying CPM it is not so easy to tell them change the banners.

i mean i never accepted this overdriven stressy stuff anyway and an advertiser will also not make money with this crap on an CPC network because clicks are too expensive to make them to accident clicks.

I think we will see some nice changes in this year in the direction of more quality advertising and more sales from it. I can see it already.



well but you will never run a successful business if you do not know what happens around you and have to view into tomorrow.
unfortunately there was a time when it was too easy - we still suffer on that because with just professional competitors the whole market would be monetized already MUCH better as it was in the past.

I am looking forward to the future and i hope you can also make money in it. I love seeing people make money because if it is done without ripping someone off it helps us all.
Well I agree with most of what you said but I think your views on paysites TODAY are outdated. Perhaps you are applying your experience back then to how it is now.

Of course "big" paysites that want to invest 100K+ in new content will have a tougher time recouping that investment and it may well take years before they do. Piracy is a huge issue if you are sinking that kind of money into content production.

However, there are many ways to skin a cat (and be profitable NOW and in the future). Expectations must be reset, as with everything else. And the scale has to be reduced (from 50+ employees down to a handful). But with automating being much better today it is possible, through scripting and outsourcing, to be very profitable. You just have to adapt (or die).

I am like a Hollywood Agent. I make a % off every Membership I sell. Anywhere from 25% - 100%. So that's why I have so many "clients" (websites) and keep adding new ones. Remember I started this madness in 2009 - when paysites were DYING. So I had to be creative, especially because I had only $750 to start (a loan from a friend!).

The biggest challenge for your clients will be an ever-decreasing ROI, CTR, etc. That is inevitable.
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