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Originally Posted by thommy
paul you say you are afraid that they grow - i am afraid too.
but what you do not see is that your are singing their songs already.
i also do not doubt that there IS a problem but i want to tell you want makes me crazy in the discussion:
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If you can't see the problem. That is a problem.
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1. everybody talks about illegal immigrants in germany. if you look on the map you see that germany is not even able to let ANY immigrants into europe. germany is not a border to the non EU it is in the middle.
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So why did Merkel invite them?
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2. if you know the schengen contracts, you should know that everyone who entered the EU can move and travel inside the EU wherever he wants. same when i enter USA in california, nobody will ask me a new visa in florida.
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That's not the Shengen contract.
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what happend here was that all this refugees came to italy, greece, hungary and also to turkey. all of them send them directly or indirectly to germany (letīs exept here italy what have done much more as they can).
italy was cryiung for help, greece was in a very bad economic situation but we have the human mandatory to help these people what are fleeing from war and are in danger.
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They are not fleeing war. Syria and Iraq was never completely over run by ISIS. It's not nearly defeated. They should have stayed in safe parts of those two countries or stayed inTurkey. Then there are the non-Syrians and Iraqis, what about them.
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so germany took them in the hope that the rest of the EU will do the same. IF that would happen, there would not be a big problem now because they would be distrubuted over all EU.
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Now you're saying Germany took them in, in the hope that the rest of Europe would take some. When did Germany decide what other countries do?
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BECAUSE nobody let them in except this few countries there where such a mass comming inside suddenly that nobody was even prepared to register them.
it took more than a year for Geramyn to install this infrastructure and in this time there came a lot of illegal in.
but that does NOT MEAN that anybody wanted them. also merkel did not want them
but HOW can you approve that from a million if a country is only prepared to take a few thousand per year.
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The migrants weren't prepared to register in Turkey.
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3. this problem was used by the right wing parties and putins internet army to stir people up. 90% of the news are either fakenews or are half true (where the nessecary part to understand it was simply forgotten to tell).
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Exactly right, except the part about it being fake news.
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4. if you look at the criminal statistic in germany the crimes AGAINST refugees and immigrants (and even germans with immigrant hoistory) are 20 times higher as the crimes from this group.
in fact near to 65% of their so called "crimes" go against the right of residence.
so they are not criminal because they damaged something or hurt someone, they are stamped as criminals BECAUSE they did not go the legal way.
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does thast incleude terrorist attacks and rapes?
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5. if you read this fake thread here where they posted a video where "2 polish hit a black man in Ravensburg Germany" you can see what these right radicals are thinking.
a. in this video is NO background of what happend before and WHY they hit him
b. this video is definately not made in Germany, Switzerland or Austria
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And it will get worse them more that come.
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so all facts are either lies or uncomplete and all they do is apploud to the video and call the Germans stupid.
THESE are the people whose thoughts you share !!!
people who are refusing EVERY news when it does not fit into their nazi ego.
do you REALLY THINK that such individuals have the better solutions?
if yes - why did your country fight against hitler? he would do it EXACTLY this way and simply kill everybody who is not with him.
national pride - a very hard discussed topic here too - is exactly what lead to 2 worldwars and many many cruels in the world. it is time to give it up to think that we are better than others and start to resolve the problems at their roots.
you can think about that or not - but if you refuse this recommendation you are one part of this roots where you just said that you are afraid of them.
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Now you're just ranting as if a problem that does exist, doesn't exist.
As you say we are better than others, so what about my comments on not allowing them in or having a points system similer to Australia? You ignored that.