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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark
Hi Paul,
No dude sorry, this is completely wrong. The wall is expected to cost over $20 Billion dollars, and several billion to maintain after that. There is nothing to gain in this investment.
There are lots of problems with this statement.
"Low paid" means cheap produce at the grocery store. If people were paid a fair wage for picking strawberries, the cost of strawberries would skyrocket, along with the rest of fresh food.
And since they are "low paid", how do you expect them to pay taxes?
The problem is made even more complex for other reasons. Most people don't want to work picking strawberries or similar for example.
Some people want to blame immigrants for all kinds of problems, real or perceived, but the truth is that they also need those immigrants to do this kind of work. As broken and fucked-up as it is, the system kinda sorta works.
What Trump did during his campaign is demonize immigrants, especially Mexicans. Stiring up fear and hatred in anyone who is "other", is a great way to win elections it seems. Trumps promise to "build a wall" between "us and them", was a brilliant, but hateful and flawed idea. Of course the wall would never and should never be constructed. His voters never knew this, but the rest of the world sure did.
and higher prices for American food, making imported food more interesting, and driving more farms out of business.
Exactly how big is that drop?
Or, just the opposite.
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i tried to explain him many times that prosperity has not only tod with income but also with the number of things you can buy for it.
but you forgot another important aspect in that. sure illegal immigrants will make a little money in US and they will not pay tax (same as no US citizen would pay tax with such a low income).
and maybe they can send a few hundert dollars home to mexico and the mexicans there can POSSIBLY buy some expensive import good from US with that.
BUT: his life in america will be relative expensive and he will use the most of this little money to survive in USA. that means that this money goes back into the local money circle and also helps to finance jobs.
no letīs see an average american worker with a good income or a person with a really high income.
sur ethey pay tax but they still have money left and many of them will do one of the 3 following things:
1. he will safe the money - and it will not go back into the circle where production stands against production. it will be lend to companies on interest. interest is NOT PRODUCTION. means the money is becomming more without any productivity.
2. he will push the money into the stock market where it goes in the hands of the companies what are expanding globally (beceuse if they do not do it they die) so this money will go offshore in big parts.
3. if he have really enough and bigger money he will bring it to his bankaccount on the caimans or other offshore country with no tax.
it is a fact that poor people (or at least people what are spening ALL the money they get back into the money circle where it came from) are MUCH ore healthy for any economy as people who do not spend this money.
but as i said it is senseless to explain that to paul - paul is an industry manager who run a worldwide trillion dollar concern with millions of emplyees and knows all about economy. much better as people who studied the rules and situations of worldeconomy.
much better as every banker and much better as every financial minister of any country in this world.
hint: if you have a dog or a cat - explain it to them - they will easier understand it.