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Old 03-29-2017, 09:43 AM  
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Originally Posted by Robbie View Post
I never said that incidental surveillance wasn't legal. Are we totally miscommunicating here?

I said that when a U.S. citizen is caught up in surveillance of a foreigner...then that citizen's name is MASKED in the transcripts because there was no FISA warrant to allow for that person to be spied on.

The insinuation that Nunes is making is that the spy agencies were used to spy on Trump through DELIBERATE Incidental capture and the names were unmasked and then disseminated to all 16 agency's in RAW form (which was NEVER done before except when Pres. Obama made a rule change in the last 2 weeks of his Presidency).

That is the whole point that is being made.
There seems to be the appearance that deliberate things were done to spy on Trump.
Being surveilled with no apparent reason (no national security issues involved in the taped conversations and no Russian connections in them either), names unmasked, and then President Obama changing a long-standing rule designed to protect U.S. citizens literally as he was walking out of the White House.

Either I'm just not communicating this well enough or you just aren't wanting to hear it.

IF this turns out to be what happened...then yes, it's a very, very big deal. It would indicate that a sitting President's spy agency's were used to gather intel on an opposing political party.

Has that been done before in history? Yeah.
Is it something that should be going on? Hell no.

And President Obama did it very recently when he used the spy agency's to intercept communications between Congressmen and Senators talking to Benjamin Netanyahu about the Iraq Nuclear Deal he pushed through. That was reported by the Wall Street Journal at the end of February. But of course CNN and the ilk didn't report on that.
That was just plain WRONG.

But Pres. Obama never let that stop him. Remember when he had reporters from the AP spied on and also had reporter James Rosen of Fox News surveilled by the spy agency's (they were reading his emails)
Hell, that was REALLY going after the Free Press. But they love Obama so much that they briefly reported it and then Obama had them all over to a White House dinner and all was forgiven.

So I would say that looking at the Obama Administration's history of spying...it won't come as a big surprise.

I hope that it turns out to just have been operatives doing this on Obama's behalf WITHOUT his knowledge.
Because if he was involved (and that changing of the rules for raw data sure does implicate him), then this will be on the level beyond Watergate. And it will be a horrible ending for the first black President.

Our country doesn't need that.
We need to be getting tax reform done, getting ISIS destroyed, getting trade deals fixed and moving the economy forward.

But it looks like Democrats just won't accept that Hillary lost the election and are determined to push their Russian agenda.

As I said a month ago...this is backfiring on them horribly.
You won't hear that on CNN. But the more things keep getting investigated, the more that the Obama administration is looking bad.
The exact opposite of what Democrats THOUGHT was going to happen.

Robbie have you kept up with news outside your right wing bobble heads? Nunes has significantly backtracked on what he claimed. "YES" Nunes himself has now said he can't be sure of what happened.. He now says names might not of been unmasked..

You are doing just like you did with Benghazi and your "stand down orders".. It was proven false and you kept arguing it was true.. Now you are doing the same thing again.

The fucking man who leaked this now has said it's not what he claimed yet you still argue as if it were..

It's been a week now since Nunes claimed all this.. by Friday of last week he had partially back tracked. Monday we found out his intel came from the WH and now he's backing off completely yet here you are still arguing as if it were fact with zero evidence presented from the guy who made the claims.

You do this all the time.. You will belittle anything you don't like and claim no proof but soon as it's something "YOU" want to believe no amount of proof can sway your faith in it has to be true..

Just imagine if any Democrat house members had done something like this relating to Benghazi or Hillary's email. You would be fucking raging and livid. However because it's a Republican it's no big deal everyone else must be wrong..


Republicans are now calling for Nunes to step down.. Gram publicly mocked Nunes calling him Inspector Clouseau.. McCain has said we need an independent investigation..


“The problem he’s created is he’s gone out on a lark by himself, sort of an Inspector Clouseau investigation here, trying to find some unmasking information about collection incidental with the Trump campaign and some foreign agent outside of Russia. I think the only way this can be repaired is if he tells his colleagues on the House Intelligence committee who he met with and what he saw.”

Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.)


"No longer does the Congress have credibility to handle this alone, and I don't say that lightly," McCain


but oh no Robbie wants to make it Obama's fault so nothing can end his need to blame Obama..You are obsessed with blaming Obama to the point you can't see anything else.. Robbie couldn't give a shit if evidence actually showed Trump conspired with Russia.. oh no blaming Obama for something is WAY more important..
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