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Originally Posted by EonBlue
So you are saying that climate change is not a natural and continuous process of earth? Seriously? If you say you are serious to that I will put you on ignore and never address you again because you are beyond hope.
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No that is not at all what I said, and that is not at all what Nasa says.
http://climate.nasa.gov/
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Carbon Dioxide
http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
There you go talking down again and speaking to me like I'm a two year old. Do you talk to people like this in real life?
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No dude, I promise I am not talking down to you. You have insulted me plenty in this thread, but I have not tried to insult you back or talk down to you. What I was trying to do was establish an agreement baseline, that is all.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Anyways, you prove nothing and that is not the main issue. The main issue is that releasing that CO2 back into the atmosphere, where all of it used to be
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But Eon, you are forgetting a couple of things.
Let's say that you are right, and we are putting the CO2 back into the air, where it "used to be".
What you are forgetting is:
There are less trees and green plants than there used to be. Deforestation has slowed down the earth ability to absorb all that CO2.
Next, we are putting more CO2 into the air faster than it has ever been done before, naturally.
We know this is a fact because we can measure the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses. We know they rise high into the atmosphere, and we know they reflect heat. We can see the evidence of this by the rising average temperature of the earth.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
If not for us the earth would continue to sequester CO2 until there was not enough left for plants to photosynthesize and most life on earth would end.
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The earth has been alive and well for a long time, but that's not the point. The point is to make our time on this planet as healthy and beautiful as it can be, and that we leave it this way for our kids and grand kids.
This idea should not be so hard to grasp or hard to do. All it takes is a minor shift in the way we use energy, thats all.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
We are still actually uncomfortably close to that threshold - 150ppm. And because CO2 will continue to be sequestered deep in the oceans we will have to keep releasing CO2 from bio-matter and fossil fuels just to keep levels up high to ensure vigourous plant growth.
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The ocean is a whole other can of worms. The oceans have become much more acidic over the past 100 years or so thanks to increased CO2. The extra CO2 is not just warming the planet, its killing the oceans. And the warming of the oceans, while related, is a whole other problem.
What a mess.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Again there is no such thing as too much CO2 in this context.
You need to go study some geology and paleoclimate.
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Same to you.