right, so I'm saying shooters are not cam companies, and vice-versa...
there are crossed wires here, because we aren't talking about the same things, so I'm gonna jump out of this thread
ETA:
Actually I've just seen where the confusion is - I stated 'decent shooter' so the thread didn't get sidetracked with people saying 'not all shooters do', my (devil's advocate) point being a shooter does abc, a cam company does xyz, not that a decent cam company = a decent shooter.