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Originally Posted by crockett
If the patriot act is not extended, it means all domestic spying comes to an end.. How can you argue that extending that spying is better than not allowing g it at all?
It's very simple Dyna.. There is no possible way that mass collecting of data can stop anything in real time. It's 100% impossible unless they know exactaly whom to spy on at a given instant.
This means the only use of this data collection is to use it after the fact.. Now if they know enough as to who to listen to in real time, then they can already use existing wire tap rules to watch that person..
The spying goes aginst every principle of illegal searches and seizures which this country was founded on.
Added to this the freedom act makes it legal for the FBI to use this data which can be handed over by the NSA for non terrorism crimes.
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none of that has anything to do with my view. i fully get that the nsa cannot point to any successes in countering terrorism due to section 215, which only applies to land lines as you know.
what is your view on the fact that FISA court has already determined scetion 215 illegal? yet the NSA keeps on? i don't see trying to railroad this bill when the nsa operates with impunity and it seems like that is where the issue is, in enforcing FISA rulings.