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Originally Posted by dyna mo
in fact crockett, i've tried to NOT argue with you in this thread and when i got a bit off track chatting with another poster here on a tangent, i stopped that and returned to the OP after you pointed it out, out of respect for your thread and topic.
so when i post back on track here, you lambast it and me for being gullible and naive etc and handwaving off my agreeing with BO and exclaim all i want to do is argue. well, keep on disrespecting my view, it only makes you look insecure with your's.
the reason i agree with BO on this is we are not going to dismantle the 4th branch of government in this bill. it's going to be a process and i wholeheartedly agree with many that this is a step in that direction. panaceas do not happen in reality.
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If the patriot act is not extended, it means all domestic spying comes to an end.. How can you argue that extending that spying is better than not allowing g it at all?
It's very simple Dyna.. There is no possible way that mass collecting of data can stop anything in real time. It's 100% impossible unless they know exactaly whom to spy on at a given instant.
This means the only use of this data collection is to use it after the fact.. Now if they know enough as to who to listen to in real time, then they can already use existing wire tap rules to watch that person..
The spying goes aginst every principle of illegal searches and seizures which this country was founded on.
Added to this the freedom act makes it legal for the FBI to use this data which can be handed over by the NSA for non terrorism crimes.