Originally Posted by Mutt

Psychologists are specialists in making shit up and presenting it as science - psychology as a science is debatable, it's certainly not a science as biology and physics are.

Since dogs can't speak or write their interior lives are a mystery and will remain a mystery. Over and over the psychologists refer to animals not having self awareness because they don't recognize themselves in the mirror. That's no proof of anything other than a dog can't recognize itself in a mirror, there could be other reasons for that phenomenom other than 'dogs have no self awareness whatsoever'.

While dogs can't speak, anybody who's owned a dog knows that they will try to imitate human speech, hundreds of videos on Youtube of it. They physiologically can't speak like they physiologically can't hammer a nail into a board. They recognize words - I've had dogs who absolutely knew the word 'VET' as in veterinarian and if they heard it would cower or make themselves scarce.

The human concept of a MIND is probably more an illusion than the illusions psychologists keep pointing out we have about dogs and their behavior and intellect.