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Originally Posted by Far-L
Not really. Every time I read those lines it was "alleged" so not sure those are facts yet or still hearsay. I haven't heard the actual tapes myself.
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No one has ever said "he is 100% guilty of the crimes he's charged with". That is always for a court to decide.
Most here are rightfully suspicious of him, due to his current behavior, his past behavior, his track record as well as other interesting facts like the creepy videos that exist of him frolicking around with these girls 1/2 naked and giggling like a little school girl as she tries to wax his chest.
The point being, that when you take everything in its totality and THEN see him charged with these particular crimes (a completely different incident than the FIRST such reports), with a minor - with 8 more minors coming forward, some aren't surprised at all as its all 100% consistent with his predatory and troubling behavior over the years.
I understand you and MaDalton saying "hey, lets hear all the facts first"... but for many, there are a lot of known facts. There are years and years and years of witnessing his disturbing behavior right here on this very forum. Years and years of watching him lie in public speaking engagements for no other purpose than his own personal gain. There is the simple fact that he faked being "saved by Jesus" to launch a career as a public speaker about how porn hurts people - targeting church groups and religious people as part of his "evil plan" as he put it and the fact that he openly stated his intent on this forum to do exactly that... 6 months before he then actually did it.
Being cautious and fair is one thing... but some acting as if just because Jeffrey Dahmer didn't have his day in court, that they'd happily let him babysit their children while he awaits trial - using the logic that "he has not being proven guilty in a court of law" is also a bit naive... after knowing he had human body parts in his fridge, he was eating his victims, there are eye witness accounts, that one witness escaped his attempt to murder him and so on. If you knew him and knew much of anything about him, you'd likely be thinking "uhm... yeah, this makes a lot of sense". Similarly, there are also plenty of known facts here as well concerning Donny in addition to the accusations and charges.