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Originally Posted by crockett
Ok. I will try to explain.. I think the problem is you don't see is the time scale in which these events took place. No one disputes that the earth has cooled / warmed or that the oceans have risen / lowered or that the ice sheets have melted or refrozen in the past. There is no argument about these things, just as there is no argument that CO2 levels have been very high in the past (due to volcanic eruptions).
What you seem to not see in your argument, is in the past those changes in tempeture, rising and lowering of the oceans and melting and refreshing of the ice caps, took thousands of years to happen. Meanwhile what we see today caused by the co2 created by man has happened in roughly 100 years.
This is why it's called man made global warming. Yes the same thing might happen over the course of a few thousand years, but the difference is we have drastically increased the process by the co2 gasses humans have put into the air due to the burning of fossil fuels. Also there is no scientific proof to support your theory that the sun or earth has shifted to cause this effect.
The only thing major that is changing at this moment is the magnetic poles and there is no evidence which shows that could be the cause.. All evidence points to the excess co2 gas that humans are producing.
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Please explain all-knowing and almighty great one. FFS!
What exactly is it you think we see today "caused by the CO2 created by man"? A 0.6 degree rise in temperature in 100 years? Oh the heavens, please save us from near certain an imminent incineration.
0.6 degrees is barely outside of the margin of error for most data collection methods. Over 50% of the surface temperature stations in the US are sited improperly causing temperature readings up to 5 degrees warmer than a properly sited station. On top of that the alarmists have been adjusting the data to make current temperatures look warmer and older temperatures look colder.
Anyways, go back and read the article I posted about a paleoclimatologist who sees conditions now similar to those before the start of the last glaciation and the timeframe:
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Although criticized in the past for his views on global cooling in the face of political moves to support the opposite, Kukla feels he's vindicated. "None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend." On the contrary, Kukla and his colleagues expected a warming blip and it occurred like clockwork. He knows that global warming always precedes an Ice Age. The history of that is in the ice core records repeating itself every 100,000 years or so over millions of years.
Generations ago, scientists believed Ice Ages advanced slowly taking tens of thousands of years. Now some researchers have revealed startling evidence that an Ice Age can be triggered in under 10 years.
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There is no scientific proof that humans are to blame for all of the rise in CO2.
There is no scientific proof that we are anywhere near having "excess" CO2.
There is no scientific proof that the little bit of warming we have supposedly had is having any adverse effects.
There is no scientific proof that the earth is going to warm uncontrollably and catastrophically.
There is no scientific proof that the warming would stop if mankind vanished from the earth today.
There is no scientific proof to any of this bullshit. Scientific proof requires an experiment that can be duplicated and we can't experiment on the atmosphere. Computer models and simulations do not count as valid experiments and they sure as hell don't prove anything.
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